Glenn Beck the new leader of the Birchers?

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 12:29pm

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 12:51pm

Sounds about right to me. Although personally....I still say he's lining himself up to be the next, top TV Evangelist.

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 5:28pm

Odd to me that being anti-socialist and

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 6:24pm

Dana Milbank Political reporter, Washington Post

Mormon Prophecy Behind Glenn Beck's Message

In one of his first appearances on Fox News, Glenn Beck sent a coded message to the nation's six million Mormons -- or at least those Mormons who believe in what the Latter-day Saints call "the White Horse Prophecy."

"We are at the place where the Constitution hangs in the balance," Beck told Bill O'Reilly on November 14, 2008, just after President Obama's election. "I feel the Constitution is hanging in the balance right now, hanging by a thread unless the good Americans wake up."

The Constitution is hanging by a thread.

Most Americans would have heard this as just another bit of overblown commentary and thought nothing more of it. But to those familiar with the White Horse Prophecy, it was an unmistakable signal.

The phrase is often attributed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormon Church. Smith is believed to have said in 1840 that when the Constitution hangs by a thread, elders of the Mormon Church will step in -- on the proverbial white horse -- to save the country.

"When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the 'Mormon' Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it," Brigham Young, Smith's successor as head of the church, wrote in 1855.

Was it just a coincidence in wording, or was Beck, a 1999 Mormon convert, speaking in coded language about the need to fulfill the Mormon prophecy? A conversation on Beck's radio show ten days earlier would seem to rule out coincidence. Beck was interviewing Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, also a Mormon, when he said: "I heard Barack Obama talk about the Constitution and I thought, we are at the point or we are very near the point where our Constitution is hanging by a thread."

"Well, let me tell you something," Hatch responded. "I believe the Constitution is hanging by a thread."

Days after Beck's Fox show started in January 2009, he had Hatch on, and again prompted him: "I believe our Constitution hangs by a thread."

Large numbers of Mormons watch Beck, but likely an even larger number of his viewers and radio listeners are evangelical Protestants who have no idea that Beck is preaching to them an obscure prophecy of the Latter-day Saints -- a faith many conservative Christians malign as a cult. In addition to the coded allusions to the White Horse Prophecy, he often brings Mormon theology into his broadcasts (he touts the thinking of late church president Ezra Taft Benson and he frequently promotes the work Mormon conspiracy theorist Cleon Skousen) but without identifying them with the LDS church.

Before the Mormons went west, Smith traveled to Washington seeking help for his oppressed followers and received nothing but frustration. Rather than turning on the government, however, "They considered themselves the last Real Americans, the legitimate heirs of the pilgrims and Founding Fathers," Pat Bagley wrote in the Salt Lake Tribune. "And, they believed, the very survival of the Constitution depended on the Saints. From Smith on, LDS leaders prophesied the Constitution would one day hang by a thread, only to be saved by Mormons."

A compilation of church leaders' statements over the years by the journal BYU Studies shows this strain of thinking. Though there are doubts about whether Smith actually wrote the phrase "hang by a thread," his successors left no doubt about the theology behind it. Orson Hyde, a Smith contemporary, wrote that Smith believed that "the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said [Smith]: 'If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of this Church.'"

The church's fifth leader, Charles Nibley, believed that "the day would come when there would be so much of disorder, of secret combinations taking the law into their own hands, tramping upon Constitutional rights and the liberties of the people, that the Constitution would hang as by a thread. Yes, but it will still hang, and there will be enough of good people, many who may not belong to our Church at all, people who have respect for law and for order, and for Constitutional rights, who will rally around with us and save the Constitution."

The prophecy was renewed with each generation of church leadership. "The prophet Joseph Smith said the time will come when, through secret organizations taking the law into their own hands . . . the Constitution of the United States would be so torn and rent asunder, and life and property and peace and security would be held of so little value, that the Constitution would, as it were, hang by a thread," church apostle Melvin Ballard said in 1928. "This Constitution will be preserved, but it will be preserved very largely in consequence of what the Lord has revealed and what this people, through listening to the Lord and being obedient, will help to bring about, to stabilize and give permanency and effect to the Constitution itself. That also is our mission."

And now it is Beck's mission. Secret organizations? Tramping on liberties? Breakdown of law and order? Shredding the Constitution? Betraying the Founders? This is the core of Beck's message, in his own words: "Some people in the government seem to have a problem, you know, shredding the Constitution." And: "You're trying to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, friends. It's in trouble." And: "He" -- that would be Obama -- "is going to bring us to the verge of shredding the Constitution, of massive socialism."

But there is a Beckian twist in his version of the prophecy. Unlike the church leaders' versions, Beck's vision carries the possibility of a bloody end. On the night of Feb. 24, 2009, Beck outlined this prospect for his viewers. People who "don't trust the government," he said, would "see the government as violating the Constitution, and they will see themselves as defenders of the Constitution. Not a good mix. Then they take matters into their own hands."

It was Glenn Beck in a nutshell: White Horse Prophecy meets horsemen of the apocalypse

dablacksox


Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 6:43pm

Oh brother! :smileysurprised:

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 7:18pm

First Palin was talking in "code" and now Beck is sending "coded messages"................scary, scary stuff.......

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 7:31pm

Who would have guessed that such plain speakers as Palin and Beck are actually speaking to their hollow eyed followers in code??? I am guessing after every speech thousands, if not millions, stow away in the bathrooms breaking the code.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdA__2tKoIU

Sonny

PS- do you think RALPHIE is a tea partier???? :-)

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 7:59pm
I don't think he's a lot of those things. I think he's anti-government, not anti-socialist. And I do think that in 1968, to be so hostile toward the government, so convinced that the government was intrusive and ruining people's lives and freedoms, and so anti-establishment was PATENTLY radical. I'm pretty sure the term radical was associated to most of those individuals.

So what's the difference between a Radical from the 60's who shared anti-government ideas with militants such as Bill Ayers, and modern activists who are equally as distrustful and, yes, openly disrespectful of the government who share the views of more violent "activists" like the California Freeway shooter and the PA shoot-out. These people were beyond the fringe - they were criminal. But each apparently referenced Beck's narrative in their own logic and justification. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/glenn-becks-audience-alre_b_759181.html

Beck's ideas seem to go FAR beyond the rather benign abstractions you listed, such as limited government and anti-socialist. He has created a narrative of demonizing "the other" (showing multiple - black- christian churches and then commenting that HE doesn't worship that way and no one he KNOWS engages in "christian celebration" that way), and demonizing the government. He paints pictures of conspiracies that aren't close to choose, then quickly says he is merely a fool. He uses a clout to "lead" a Rally about honor and responsibility, then promptly disavows any role as a leader but simply as a money-maker.

I think it's fair to analyze what this person says. What I find ironic is that I can imagine that lie after lie after lie of his narrative could be PROVEN to be a lie with the utmost ill intent, and his audience would still follow him, vote according to his lies, and work to steer the country in a direction based on known lies. But if he tried to marry a dude, most of his audience would turn him off.

Very strange....
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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 8:31pm

It's ashamed to me that the Huffington Post would attribute deaths committed by independent citizens to Glen Beck or any other pundit...right or left. It's even more disturbing that people buy into the ridiculous and baseless accusations based on speculation. It would be like blaming Al Gore for the bizarre actions of James Lee a few months ago, when he raced into the Discovery Channel Center in Maryland, shooting,

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 9:17pm
cshell_sonny wrote:

It's ashamed to me that the Huffington Post would attribute deaths committed by independent citizens to Glen Beck or any other pundit...right or left. It's even more disturbing that people buy into the ridiculous and baseless accusations based on speculation. It would be like blaming Al Gore for the bizarre actions of James Lee a few months ago, when he raced into the Discovery Channel Center in Maryland, shooting,

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Wed, 10-13-2010 - 10:15pm

Tami,

Yes, you are wrong. James Lee said that he was awakened by Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and was inspired by the writings of Daniel Quinn. So, spin it anyway you like, but if you are an honest person, then you'd have to blame Quinn and Gore for the crimes and death of Lee, if you choose to blame Beck for crimes committed by those some

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