Glenn Beck the new leader of the Birchers?

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2007
Glenn Beck the new leader of the Birchers?
245
Wed, 10-13-2010 - 12:29pm

Pages

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-02-2009
Wed, 10-13-2010 - 11:16pm

I don't know who the bigger moron is, Milbank or the people on the left that actually eat this crap up. Yeah, "hanging by a thread", never heard that phrase used before. But no, it's a secret code.

What do these idiots think, it's a special phrase that will activate his army to rise up? LOL! Time to splash some cold water in the face and snap out of it.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2007
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 12:21am
I think that was a Media Matters article linked from the Huff Po.

Okay, here's an analogy that might explain why I linked that article (which I didn't read as a direct or even indirect indication that Beck was responsible, though I pulled it only for the examples and not the actual full op-ed).

Imagine you read a story that a woman walked into a McDonalds and held 4 children hostage, saying she would rather kill them now then allow McDonald's to poison the children with Happy Meals. Imagine she then told several friends that McD's was adding mood-altering drugs to Happy Meals, and it was killing the kids, and she was so distraught she snapped.

Now wouldn't we, after having heard that story think "Where did she get an idea like that?" So, what if Rachel Maddow had a story on McD's, and Merck, and studies that showed that after eating a Happy Meal, children showed similar behavior than if they'd just had a specific mood altering drugs. Maddow then said that she couldn't DISPROVE that McDonalds was NOT lacing Happy Meals with Prozac. She ran this story, with these disjointed dots that she said she couldn't PROVE were connected once a week for a month.

Going back to the original question of "Where did this woman get this idea?", do you REALLY believe, if you were truly honest with yourself, if someone then told you of Maddow's reporting you wouldn't attribute the idea to her? Now, that's not saying Maddow is to blame for what happened in McD's. Certainly thousands of others had heard the same story and did not react by holding children hostage. But the initial spark of outrage did not, in fact, generate from paranoid delusions that where created solely in her imagination, but where actually directly attributal to a paranoid hint of a conspiracy offered by a broadcaster.

I think people asked the question with these clear nutcases "Why did they think this way? Where did they get this information?" and all signs pointed to a paranoid narrative that is painted throughout the media, but is reinforced by specific sources. That doesn't necessarily make them culpable in any crimes, but I think culpability would depend on the statement and the context.

Certainly, the US Representative that attended a pro-gun rally earlier this year and told the participants that they should be afraid because the government was coming for them should have at least been censured. His statements had a weight. If someone walked out of the rally and tried to attack a government office, and people asked "Why do you think the government is out to get you?" and the guy responds "My Congressperson told me they were coming for me", well, I think that gov't rep is sort of culpable.

And that what any pundit - Beck, Maddow, anyone - has to consider. Under Bush, the paranoia was that they were listening in on all of the conversation and keeping records and sharing data (turned out to only be true if the conversations involved phone sex). Under Obama, the anti-power media seems to have taken fear to a more drastic extreme. Tales of mass graves, of arrests, of Stalin and Hitler oppression in the forms of... Cash for Clunkers, a failed mortgage repair kit, and the adoption of the previously popular Republican idea of an insurance mandate.

It's the extreme language, the extreme fear, that allows this to continue.

To you other example, of Gore and the Discovery Center attack, I do think that there ARE global warming zealots out there whose frightening speech is pushing people over the edge. What I can't figure out is "why the target of the Discovery Channel". What did Al Gore say in that movie that prompted the person to attack the Discovery Channel? I "understand" the other nutbags that went after the police - they were anti-government.
It's just like that guy who was recently arrested for wanting to start a race war. If someone asked "where did he get the idea the President was a muslim" and someone said "Glenn Beck", well that would be laughable. Because they could have gotten that from just about any Mainstream news source in the last two years.

Again, I'm not saying Beck is responsible for those attacks. I'm saying he's responsible for his speech. Whether there are nut jobs out there or not, he's still responsible. If a person says "I voted for this guy because the other guy loves Nazis", and people ask "Why do you think that?" and it turns out Beck ran several snippets connecting the candidate to Nazi's and indicated the candidate strongly admired Nazi's, well, Beck's responsible. That doesn't mean he can necessarily be sued. Or jailed. Or even fined.

But one isn't absolved of all responsibility for their actions until a judge rules otherwise. Personally responsiblity should extend beyond only that which is clearly defined within the letter of law.
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2007
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 12:24am
Okay, I missed the code thing, but...

What of Beck's continued assistance that the Stewart/Colbert rallies are specifically designed to "activate the Youth". Doesn't that sound like he believes that Comedy Central has some sort of code (besides "420")?
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 9:12am
anthony60 wrote:

I don't know who the bigger moron is, Milbank or the people on the left that actually eat this crap up. Yeah, "hanging by a thread", never heard that phrase used before. But no, it's a secret code.

What do these idiots think, it's a special phrase that will activate his army to rise up? LOL! Time to splash some cold water in the face and snap out of it.

Maybe if we can get our hands on some of that Kool-Aid, we, too, would gain the ability to translate these codes..........After all I'd love to know what the "real" meanings of Beck's and Palin's words mean. Silly me, I thought they meant what they said..:)

shell

Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 9:30am

Being completely honest with you, I would not blame Maddow in any way, shape or form. She says a lot of whacky, off base things and the responsibility to research what she says falls squarely on the shoulders of those who listen to her. I am all about personal responsibility and not shifting blame of one's actions and choices onto someone else.

Charles Manson claimed that he was inspired by the Beetles song "Helter Skelter" and committed crimes and murders as a result of that inspiration. It was ridiculous when Manson used that as an excuse to shift blame for his actions and it's equally ridiculous for the Huffington Post or anyone to do the same with regard to Beck, Limbaugh, Maddow, O'Reilly, Oberman, etc.

I often have the chance to listen to Beck and I have never heard him call for violence. In fact he is against it. Those who have a clue, know that about him. He certainly has not told anyone,(nor has any other conservative talk show host to whom I listen)

Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 9:34am
lj_jacieb wrote:
Okay, I missed the code thing, but...

What of Beck's continued assistance that the Stewart/Colbert rallies are specifically designed to "activate the Youth". Doesn't that sound like he believes that Comedy Central has some sort of code (besides "420")?

Having only had coffee this morning..my answer is that the meaning of "activate the youth" is that, the rallies are meant to organize the youth to action, like voting, campaigning, believing in the same

Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-16-2007
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 12:25pm
cshell_sonny wrote:

Tami,

Yes, you are wrong. James Lee said that he was awakened by Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and was inspired by the writings of Daniel Quinn. So, spin it anyway you like, but if you are an honest person, then you'd have to blame Quinn and Gore for the crimes and death of Lee, if you choose to blame Beck for crimes committed by those some

Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-07-2010
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 1:33pm
I don't think anyone made a big deal of those that wished Palin had died along with Ted Steven's plane. A NH Democrat said it along with someone else at the time.
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 1:36pm

What conservative talk show host has called for any political figure or anyone to be "taken out"? Who and when? Granted I don't bottom feed on blogs, and am unfamiliar with all of the crazy blogs and websites that are out there, but I do frequently listen to Beck, O'Reilly occasionally and Hannity once in a while. I have never heard any of them condone violence or suggest that someone be "taken out". So, who is advocting that...enlighten me, please.

Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-07-2010
Thu, 10-14-2010 - 1:43pm
"I, personally, don't think any pundit should be blamed for the mental instability and crime of a private citizen, regardless of political persuasion, and I think that those who attach such blame are shameful and/or gullible."

EXACTLY!

Pages