Glenn Beck the new leader of the Birchers?

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Glenn Beck the new leader of the Birchers?
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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 1:47pm

Yes, and where was the outrage when Ed Schultz said.......that we ought to rip out Dick Cheney's heart? Or when Wanda Sykes wished that Rush Limbaugh's kidneys would fail....oh, and the president sat laughing at her comment? Where was the outrage then? Talk about hyrpcrisy............

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 2:58pm

"After all I'd love to know what the "real" meanings of Beck's and Palin's words mean. Silly me, I thought they meant what they said.


When Palin makes words up like "refudiate" and stands by them comparing herself to shakespeare...it is difficult to know the "real meaning"

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 3:09pm
"I don't think anyone made a big deal of those that wished Palin had died along with Ted Steven's plane. A NH Democrat said it along with someone else at the time. "

I hadn't heard that before, but that's disgusting.
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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 3:48pm
I think that "blame" is a strong word. I think there is a difference between influence and blame. And from the initial article, I didn't see ANY blame. How an article about Beck carrying forth the legacy of the John Birch society turned, even before I posted the Media Matters article, into "blaming" Beck for anything other than being influential, and discussing his own influences.

Look. Go back and see how many complaints there are about the main stream media. Does Mrs. Palin ever give a speech or interview where the "lame-stream media" isn't a target?

I think there is a hypocrisy here, but not just in examples of people getting a pass for being mean depending on which side they are on. There is also a continued bludgening of the media, which in its vilification only demonstrates the that media is considered relevent and influential. But then when someone from the media says something that influenced DIRECTLY another person's thinking, its argued that the person isn't responsible in the least for their mouth.

I'm all for calling out the double standards, but only - ONLY - if someone is willing to say "Yeah, it sucks when people do that. Here are some more examples". But what happens repeatedly in these arguments is that these examples - Shultz and Gore and anyone else - are offered up as some sort excuse for such behavior, or even as a distraction from the person getting hammered. It's like there's a belief that two wrongs make a right.

Honestly, never heard of the Shultz comment, and Wanda Sykes was HAMMERED for her performance by most news outlets that I heard from. But I don't know - if someone killed a panda because they said that Wanda Sykes hoped Rush's kidneys would fail - if most people would think "Hmmm, I see."

But if someone said that they killed 3 police officers who came door to door looking for a missing girl because they heard on Air America that the the Justice Department was intending to use local law enforcement, in house to house sweeps, to round up people who didn't vote correctly, and the patriot act gave them the right to do that. If that happened, Air America would be responsible - for their words. They would be responsible for the lie, and that includes consequences of that lie, whether it's shouting at a town hall, or no longer talking to police, or something worse. That doesn't mean they could get sued or go to jail, but again, responsibility is bigger than simply fines and penalties.

Again, a difference between "Blame" and "Influence", but Glenn Beck, as a millionaire member of the media, and a member of this COUNTRY, has as much responsibility for his speech as any other person on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, Air America, etc. He is not absolved of personal responsibility just because he berates people for not having it.
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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 4:04pm
As usual, very well said Jacie!

I have no need for anger
With intimate strangers
And I got nothing to hide


- Amy Ray

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 4:19pm
graybean08 wrote:
"I, personally, don't think any pundit should be blamed for the mental instability and crime of a private citizen, regardless of political persuasion, and I think that those who attach such blame are shameful and/or gullible."

EXACTLY!

 


 


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 7:52pm
greatfulmomnwife wrote:

"After all I'd love to know what the "real" meanings of Beck's and Palin's words mean. Silly me, I thought they meant what they said.


When Palin makes words up like "refudiate" and stands by them comparing herself to shakespeare...it is difficult to know the "real meaning"

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 8:07pm
cshell_sonny wrote:
greatfulmomnwife wrote:

"After all I'd love to know what the "real" meanings of Beck's and Palin's words mean. Silly me, I thought they meant what they said.


When Palin makes words up like "refudiate" and stands by them comparing herself to shakespeare...it is difficult to know the "real meaning"

 


 


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 8:50pm

The original post was about some code language being used by Beck, which is laughable, but if some are gullible enough to believe that nonsense, then so be it.

You are correct, there is a double standard. On one side, I read an article where some say that people who committed crimes were influenced by Beck...hearsay at best but the "left" is outraged. On the other side, we have a couple instances where people have vocally wished calamity on others or have committed crimes based on self proclaimed influences, but the left gives those a pass...makes an excuse for them. (Sykes was hammered..really?..Obama laughed and thought it was funny....

You are correct..there is a huge double standard. Thanks for pointing it out. You did it much better than I could have. I am still on record as saying that no pundit should shoulder the responsibility for the bizarre crimes of another based on his stated opinion. People who commit crimes are responsible for their own actions. I have not heard Beck call anyone to violence. You say he has a responsibility for his speech, yet,

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Thu, 10-14-2010 - 9:20pm

amd...You are right about the "koolaid" remarks.... poor choice of words on my part...

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