The goal isn't to take away all guns.

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Registered: 04-09-2011
The goal isn't to take away all guns.
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Mon, 01-07-2013 - 11:48am

Despite the scare tactics so typical of the right - see health care - there is no desire to take away all guns amongst most on the left. That is how the right wants to define the debate, as all or nothing. It knows it wins in that case.

All we want is common sense, but listen to, see the howls and declarations of 'you won't take away my gun!'

Which position is actually rational and reasoned?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 6:52pm

So, in order to have a free society we can't ban dangerous and deadly products?  

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 6:49pm

"Maybe we should ban fertilizer"  talk about irrational arguments. 

Let's test out that logical fallacy.  Let's stop banning lead paint in products because acid rain is dangerous to human health too.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 6:33pm

Looking at countries around the world, there are degrees of civility.  The US does not need civilians to heavily arm themselves.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 6:31pm

 No such society exists.  Humans are what humans are.  There will always be people who are violent.  But the media glorifies these people.  All of them get what they want glory!   The best is a better socialization. The media by reporting is a driver of these actions.  People think of what is presented to them. Better mental and emotional health plus more early training will help defuse the situations.  All societies that have lasted have had survival as paramount.  Most societies collapse do to internal pressures.  Or outside invasion.  I cannot recall any that lasted more than 1000 years.

Here is a list of school attacks:  you will notice a common theme interesting, no?  This is an incomplete listing. 

    In Japan they have terrorists who released sarin gas:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

London 2005: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bombings_2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings

 

dragowoman

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 2:49pm

I prefer a more civil society. Not one that has to be equipped for survival.

I prefer a free society.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-17-2012
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 2:48pm

214 shots in 4 minutes speaks volumes and the pure tragic realization such a weapon is not necessary in our society.

McVeigh killed 168 in seconds.  Should we ban fertilizer and Ryder trucks?  I also noticed your arguments have devolved into pure irrational emotion.  I suspect that is because you have no logical, reasoned argument left.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-31-2013
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 6:34am
I prefer a more civil society. Not one that has to be equipped for survival.
 
Let us know when you find one, as that isn't the society we live in.   So long as there are those who have no qualms about hurting others, there will be a need for defensive measures against them.
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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 5:51am
I prefer a more civil society. Not one that has to be equipped for survival.
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 02-12-2013 - 5:48am
214 shots in 4 minutes speaks volumes and the pure tragic realization such a weapon is not necessary in our society.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-17-2012
Mon, 02-11-2013 - 7:05pm

What lesson?  That in Columbine they should have had an armed guard on site?  What's that....they did you say?  Did you forget?

No, I didn't forget...but apparently you feel anything less than a superhero like rescue, picking off both shooters from a dive roll, meant that the presence of the guard was useless.  Here are a few facts...

http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives

If anything, we learned that the presence of an armed guard saved dozens of lives and the practical reality that more guards are necessary to properly secure a campus the size of Columbine.

Oh, and about that government/uprising thing....I'm not sure we want to emulate those countries.  How about Columbia, or the Congo?  Perhaps, the NRAs dream come true.

Or perhaps the American Colonies circa 1775?

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