God Necessary for Fiscal Conservancy?

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God Necessary for Fiscal Conservancy?
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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 2:49pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/17/tea-party-rift-values-fiscal_n_720869.html



Sen Jim DeMint:



To make his case, he said that without strong Judeo-Christian values, the American public becomes dependent on the government. "When you have a big government, you're going to have a little God," said DeMint. "You're going to have fewer values and morals, and you're going to have a culture that has to be controlled by the government. But when you have a big God, you're going to have a responsible and capable people with character to control themselves and lead their own lives. And you can't have a little God that promotes freedom and allows people to keep more of their own money, and a government that's not bankrupt. A government that's not bankrupt. We're talking about fiscal issues."





This debate played out on National Public Radio on Sept. 16. Toby Marie Walker of the Waco Tea Party said that her group and many of the national Tea Party organizations make an attempt to stay away from social issues. "ight now, the Tea Party is about the economy," she said. "And while the social issues on a personal level are important to a lot of our members, we stay away from those issues because they're so divisive. We believe that those are other groups and we applaud them, and when people ask about pro-life issues, we send them over to Pro-Life Waco or some of the other groups." Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association countered that the movement will start losing members if it doesn't address social issues, such as the "homosexual agenda." "And that's why I think the Tea Party movement is no longer... going to be able to claim the mantle of the founding fathers unless they affirm that morality and religion are indispensible supports of political prosperity," he predicted.



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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 3:02pm

The founding fathers didn't leave any instructions for dealing with the "homosexual agenda". And... didn't Jefferson say he didn't care if a man prayed to one god or twenty? Rewriting history in the name of claiming the mantle of the founding fathers is so fun...some people can't get enough of it.

Deborah

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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 3:30pm

Since when did the "government" turn people away from God? All I can think of reading his words is that some people's faith must be pretty weak for that to occur.

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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 3:38pm

I find the idea that without God you can not have "a responsible and capable people with character to control themselves and lead their own lives," reprehensible.

Anne

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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 4:04pm
good point!
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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 9:14pm

LOL - I love the fewer values and morals statement.

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Sat, 09-18-2010 - 10:56am

You can "not hate" something and still understand its flaws and limitations.

If you love the government then it's very clear to those who have a good understand of it--that, you don't. So a heathen destined for hell? I don't think so. Someone who woefully uninformed? Yes.

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<
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Sat, 09-18-2010 - 12:19pm

If you love the government then it's very clear to those who have a good understand of it--that, you don't.

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Registered: 07-15-2010
Sat, 09-18-2010 - 1:34pm

I didn't watch the video but did read what you posted. I didn't see anything in there about this man suggesting a god to worship? So I don't know what you're speaking about.

I would agree with your seemingly random comment about not wanting to be told what god to worship but don't know exactly how it relates to this man.

Frankly from what I read he believes in fighting the enemy with everything we've got and I can't disagree with that.

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<
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Sat, 09-18-2010 - 3:45pm
and that's what I disagree with - that the enemy is the government and should be put in the same context as the 9/11 hijackers.
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Sat, 09-18-2010 - 6:33pm

LOL! I never said their intent was to be wasteful and inefficient! It's simply the nature of the beast.

Ah yes, human's spending other-peoples-money......very efficient indeed.

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<