Handel resigns from Komen
ohearto wrote:A fetus has not Rights.
A fetus has not Rights.
iluvkrat wrote:I get that you abhor abortion so much (I do, too), but what I don't get is trying to defund an organization that provides much needed reproductive health care to women, an organization that works very hard to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and works to save women's lives. What I especially like about Planned Parenthood is that they provide education and health care without proselytizing, something that I'm willing to bet doesn't occur at all the other non-profit family planning agencies. I know that information given to women at Planned Parenthood is science-based and factual, not intended to mislead women, which I know is not the case for some of the other agencies. What I would ask people is to donate to agencies of their choosing, but please, stop demonizing Planned Parenthood and stop trying to shut them down. They are working very hard to decrease the amount of abortions in this country.
I am not trying to defund PP. I am trying to not fund abortions. If it is one and the same, that is PP's choice. Like I said in another post, I cannot explain further that I do not believe in abortions, period. The baby is alive. I wish PP did not offer abortions and I wish people got more education without an abortion being an option. I know a few people who have had two and three abortions because they oops forgot a pill or oops the condom broke. Obviously, education does not always work.
What a crock.
nellewrites wrote:To be clear, I get it is a big deal... it is for me and for liberals as well. We just believe the choice lies with the individual, and not with society. Support the things I mentioned, support caring for children after they are born (while I don't imply you support such positions, the right does make a lot of noise about cutting education, school lunch programmes, health care, unemployment, welfare, and so on.)
To be clear, I get it is a big deal... it is for me and for liberals as well. We just believe the choice lies with the individual, and not with society. Support the things I mentioned, support caring for children after they are born (while I don't imply you support such positions, the right does make a lot of noise about cutting education, school lunch programmes, health care, unemployment, welfare, and so on.)
Thanks for cutting me slack and not assuming, as that is what makes a lot of people bow out of conversations like this! (And I am being sincere, I enjoy our conversation.)
I think the contradiction in there is what has a lot of the right upset though. Liberals want individual choice, individual freedoms, but they want the public at large to support them once they make it. I do feel children need support, and am not against them getting health care, school lunch, better education. As a mom, I would not want that taken from any child. The state of education today is horrific. A child is never responsible for the choices their parents do/don't make. Just like in abortion, they have no say. But to get back to the point at hand, I feel like if a person wants individual choice to do what they want, maybe they should not expect everyone else to support it, financially or otherwise. I think it is the fact that it does not necessarily work both ways successfully. I had children when I could afford them. I adopted when I could afford them. When I had a scare, I figured out how I would support it just in case, and it turned out not to be a reality but I did not assume that okay, I cannot afford it, so the government will. I was fortunate I had options, but it would have meant working a third job. There is a fine line in the middle there but if you want individual freedoms, then individual responsibility (beyond unemployment, a necessity in this economy, a good education that should be there for everyone, all the time, etc.) should come with it. Cannot have it all one way and all the other. But that is a topic for a different thread.
There's a difference between you deciding not to give to Planned Parenthood and quite another to actively work to shut it down. While you despise abortion, the simple fact of the matter is that it is not your choice to make for other women nor is it your place to make it harder for women to obtain a legal procedure. What you can do is work to provide education and birth control for women so that fewer abortions are needed. I don't even have a problem with trying to change the way society views adoption. I've read too many times where women won't choose adoption because they can't stand the thought of someone else raising their baby or knowing that they have a child out there somewhere in the world. I've read how some women have received grief for choosing to give their child up for adoption. What you could be working on is to change those kind of thought processes, that giving up a child for adoption when you know you can't provide for it is actually a heroic selfless act. What I don't want to see are women "guilted" into carrying a pregnancy. There's no need to do that.
ohearto wrote:What a crock.