Is Higher Ed Indoctrination?

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Is Higher Ed Indoctrination?
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Thu, 02-23-2012 - 11:02pm

Rick Santorum has a knack for sounding antediluvian.

Jabberwocka

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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 7:07am
I agree with him on the 'get the federal government out of public education'. I agree that the community level can make the best/most changes to those schools. I disagree with taking the state government out of education. We need them to make the money flow to the schools in the most need, to set state standards, and suggest models that most schools should follow. I am a huge believer that it is the parents who make the schools fall into the top or bottom of schools, but homeschooling isn't an option for everyone, even if he believes it is a good thing. It can be, not for me.

I don't understand if he is trying to say we should have our kids aspire to college, if so, too bad. I have seen kids go and absolutely ditch their churches, but that is the normal process of growing up. I didn't ditch it, but grew my Christian faith and beliefs, while still having an incredible, yet busy experience.

My chidren have a choice of going to college, the military or moving out on their own at 18. Their choice. We are hoping they go on to get a Master's because I believe it will be necessary in years ahead.

I also don't think every child should go to college. Many don't want too. The more high schools that are offering trade teaching and community college credits towards associate degrees are very good, imo. I would love to see those get more focus instead of football games or cheerleading. I think HSs could better do better by letting Junior and Seniors begin on their associate degrees. Many will not go to college when they graduate, but having a trade/skill job under their belt would be an incredible help to go into the real world.

I guess what I am saying is that we raise our kids and have to set them free in college, they could question their faith, question their politics, etc...but that is all a part of growing up and establishing who/what type of person they want to be.


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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 7:10am
Now the Chicago college that has a class on the 'Occupy Movement' and they actually go to protest...NO WAY will my money go to that college, so my kids take a class like that, they are on their own. They didn't have a Tea party class, so in that case there was an absolute indoctination. The professors I had clashed continually because of their liberal views, then I moved to my field in engineering and finance, lo and behold, I was right in my elimant of conservatives...and loved it. Philosophy and English professors didn't like me and I didn't like them. Fortunately my work was spot on and backed up with proof, so they had to give me my As, but oh the debates we had. I and they were glad to be rid of one another!


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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 8:50am
Santorum has some strong points of views, add education to that, Lol! I enjoy listening to education in political forums and I agree with him - that education starts at home with involved parents, perhaps his jab at Obama was that you can't just send kids to college without direction and without acknowledging the expense of higher education too. College is NOT for everybody and it shouldn't just be an easy, government will take care of you there too system either.

Beck is a lucky man, to be where he is no with no formal higher education, I don't like him.

 


 


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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 9:10am

The Newman center was a pretty popular community at my local college but I don't know what kind of attention that draws now.

 


 


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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 9:15am
Obama didn't say anything about sending "kids to college without direction." He said that he would like the U.S. to have the highest number of college graduates and that he wanted every student to graduate from high school "career and college ready." That doesn't mean that everyone will go to college, but they should graduate with skills to get a decent job.
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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 9:36am

Santorum voted for NCLB.

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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 9:48am
Ah, that makes two of us who don't like Beck.

When he was on Fox, my elderly father would watch Beck's show and too often buy the very limited spin and revisionism being treated as gospel truth. It got........."interesting" at times, having to debunk Beck's version of events.

As for the high school, ask to visit now during regular school hours. You'll learn a lot more than you would in a presentation or open house.

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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 12:11pm
It must be hard for these kind of politicians to cater to everyone that they try to get to join the base. At one time he obviously wanted to appeal to the school choice base until his free market base conflicted with the ideology of people paying taxes for everything under the sun under NCLB from private tutoring on. Now he goes from one extreme to the other. Better hope one can afford to live in a good community or one is up a certain creek without a paddle.

 

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Fri, 02-24-2012 - 4:33pm
It seems to me that the key word is "base". Politicians like Santorum don't realize that most of us are more moderate in our views than the base of either side. Now Santorum is claiming that he was just being part of the team (for NCLB) and he would be different as team leader.

Not very impressive reasoning, IMHO.

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Sat, 02-25-2012 - 8:41am
If he is competing for college graduates he certainly is encouraging college on everybody, And the point is not everybody will go to college nor will everybody be able to afford to go to college, What about them? I agree with him about one thing, college costs are high, the average costs per credit hour are ridiculously higher than when I attended college. (I think higher education is a bubble that's waiting to burst if rates continue rising at hte rate they are but that's another discussion all together I suppose, Lol). My husband and I are influencing college onto our kids but we also see it as a choice, And if our kids WANT TO go they know we are prepared to help pay for some of their way but not all of their way, that responsible burden falls on them too.

 


 


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