In his bitter words...

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In his bitter words...
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Tue, 09-18-2012 - 8:57pm
Yes, Netanyahu did indeed demand that the U.S. establish a "red line" with Iran's nuclear program with the intent that crossing would mean a military attack. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-16/netanyahu-says-iran-s-nuclear-program-is-in-a-red-zone-.html IOW, war. Let me repeat that--WAR. That's the "clearly defined consequence" Netanyahu wants.

Under such circumstances, the "one true ally" wording just sounds silly. Where we stand now with Israel is this: We protect our national interests, not those of Israel UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY IN ACCORD. Which is just not likely. It's foreign policy at its most pragmatic.

But that's not good enough for the hawks who believe that lessons are best taught by force of arms (those being carried by OTHER people since most of them NEVER saw military service of any kind).

When Bush delivered his axis of evil speech, one assumes the concept was similar as the ultimatum Bibi wants. Look at the effect of that speech. Saddam refused to tell the truth about his WMD or total lack thereof (probably hoping to bluff the world). Iranians elected Ahmadinejad and ramped up their nuclear program, probably figuring that if they were going to wind up in the crosshairs of possible U.S. military action, they might have a better chance if they could present a credible threat. North Korea? Same deal.

In sum total, the wording was a warning shot which had the net effect of ARMING the nations which were named. Not exactly a smart idea. In fact, it was stupid, stupid, stupid. Now maybe you LIKE living with that kind of reckless rhetoric, but most of us realize that while chestbeating has some cathartic effect, it rarely creates a stable, safe, and right-side-up world.

Jabberwocka

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Tue, 09-18-2012 - 9:12pm

Romney wasn't making any case.  He got caught in an "oops" moment and is now saying that the wording was not "elegant".  Duh.  That's not all it wasn't!  

It's wearisome, this meme that people want to be on foodstamps because they're shiftless and irresponsible, can't be bothered to look for a job.  I'd like to know this:  What do conservatives propose?  Let 'em go hungry?  Beg?  As for entitlements, I would like to know what it's called when the richest have so many loopholes or tax breaks that they pay a lesser rate than those who make a fraction of their wealth.  Oh, but that's NOT an entitlement.  Right?  

As for debate, by all means let us have it.  And let's start with proof of your claim that "studies support Romenys [sic] assertion".  

I believe in hard work and personal responsibility but know that there are people who practice both who still struggle to make ends meet.  When people like Romney lay off workers and send jobs overseas, you're going to have an uphill battle convincing people that "big government" is the problem.  It just won't work with any but the partisans and ideologues.  And neither partisanship nor ideology will pay the bills or provide sustenance. 

Jabberwocka

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Tue, 09-18-2012 - 9:17pm
I would not hold my breath waiting for that Romney presidency. The man cannot seem to avoid being his own worst enemy.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Tue, 09-18-2012 - 11:41pm
poeticjustice73 wrote:

No, Obama told the truth,nobody builds anything without help business is a prime example and you knwo what? He is absolutely right,you didn't build that on your own you had help!

The guy lies so much, it's second nature to him. And that's his attitude. You build something, we will take it from you.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 12:40am
dukecrazi wrote:

There is no war on women.

 I enjoyed much of the DNC,but the one thing that turned me off was how needy the women who spoke seemed to be. Many of them seem to be unable to cope without the arm of the government providing for them. Caused me to shake my head and re-evaluate...not the era of strong women's rights in which I grew up. I was actually offended by the weakness portrayed by many of the women who spoke and somewhat surprised that the party made such a huge deal over the address by Bill Clinton, who had less respect for women in his personal life during his presidency, than any other president in my life. I sure didn't feel represented, as an independent woman.

Oh, no, no, no!  You are not supposed to mention that the party that has declared that they are defending women, had Bill Clinton as a keynote speaker, and slobbered all over him? Yeah, didn't he have his own little war on women?  Accused rapist, multi women abused, etc, etc...

Good point.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 2:23am

The 47% is disputable--but let's put that aside.  Don't you understand that does not mean that 47% are on welfare and not working?  It means that millions of people make a small income from working, get tax credits and end up not owing federal income tax. That happened to us at least one year, when my dh was in the military (and not at the beginning of his 21 year career, when he was higher in rank and pay).  But they are getting sneered at and lumped into the welfare class by you and Romney and the rest of you cheering on Romney. 

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
― Markus ZusakThe Book Thief

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Registered: 05-05-2009
Wed, 09-19-2012 - 8:02am
<<<The wealthy already pay the lion's share of taxes in the US, you were unaware?>>
<<<The wealthy already pay the lion's share of taxes in the US, you were unaware?>>

Very. If 13.9% of taxes compared to 15.9% in taxes is the lion's share then we obviously don't share the same method of mathematics.
Again what are you talking about?


Wealthy Americans earn about 50 percent of all income but pay nearly 70 percent of the federal tax burden, according to the latest analysis Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office

Read more: CBO: The wealthy pay 70 percent of taxes - Washington Times http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/10/cbo-rich-pay-outsized-share-

"You think he will be your savior and hand out jobs when it's been proven he outsources them to the lowest bidder"

I live in America,where the president doesn't' hand out jobs, I can't even really debate you since you obviously are unaware of how this country works. sorry.
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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 8:29am
I caught some of Letterman :-)

How was it?
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Registered: 04-09-2011
Wed, 09-19-2012 - 8:45am

Focus?

How do you propose to balance the budget without additional revenue? I know the right would love love love to gut social programmes, but careful what you wish for, because the result would destroy this nation as we know it. Instead of moving forward, it will be 1870 again mixed with a neo-feudalism, with sweatshops, ten year olds working six days a week for pennies. People will die from hunger and lack of care while rich barons rule over everything.

The middle class and a stable society made this country, and it appears the right wishes to destroy both. Obama proposed cuts to the deficit that included revenue, not even anywhere near 1:1 with cuts. The right rejected it. Your fault, not his.

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 8:52am

There is no war on women.

 I enjoyed much of the DNC,but the one thing that turned me off was how needy the women who spoke seemed to be. Many of them seem to be unable to cope without the arm of the government providing for them. Caused me to shake my head and re-evaluate...not the era of strong women's rights in which I grew up. I was actually offended by the weakness portrayed by many of the women who spoke and somewhat surprised that the party made such a huge deal over the address by Bill Clinton, who had less respect for women in his personal life during his presidency, than any other president in my life. I sure didn't feel represented, as an independent woman.

*cough*

As a Planned Parenthood volunteer, I beg to differ. As someone who reads the news, I beg to differ. The number of laws passed or proposed over the past year that impair women's reproductive rights boggle my mind. The comments that some of your leaders on the right make reflect ignorance and misogyny.

You seem to mistake strength for neediness. We speak to assist all, not the few. Neo-conservatives wish to tear apart society, we wish to build it. The right believes success is a singular endeavour. Romney can't see how anyone helped him along the way.

The Democratic convention was a huge success, the Republican one a monumental bust, and the poll numbers post both reflected this.


We are only as strong as the least among us. We wish to bring prosperity to everyone, the right... every person for themselves.

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