In his bitter words...

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In his bitter words...
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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:25am
Good grief. Obama even said it takes personal initiative, but it's not done in a vacuum. Without the structures in place in this country, the infrastructure, the educational systems, the support that people receive from others, they wouldn't have the opportunity to be successful. He had to clarify it because some people apparently don't comprehend English.
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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:32am

Gee, Mitt doesn't lie. *cough*

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:35am
Thanks for that. There were some lies I didn't even know about.
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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:35am
....except when he opens his mouth. ;-)
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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:37am
Every single one of those goes to the site which gives the context.
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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:43am

I've watched presidential races since 1968. I've never seen lies thrown about quite the way Mitt does. Nixon used different methodology. He will say and do anything to get elected, and it's evident in his record of races run. I don't see much common sense in him, either, no sense of the world.

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:45am

I am not quite sure what you refer to with the "inaccurate characterization" claim.  If it was the "you didn't build that" clip, then you are in error.  That bit was taken out of context and Obama did NOT have to "come back later to clarify", since the rest of the speech made quite clear the frame of reference. 

On YouTube, there's a full length video of the speech at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzf4yjphgf8  Or if you would prefer to read a transcript (which would be less time consuming), you can find it at http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia.  For the sake of debunking one of Romney's more egregious deceptions, I quote the vital bit below:

     There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.  (Applause.)

     If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

     The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

***shaking head*** It takes so little to create and promulgate a lie when people WANT to believe that lie. 

As for a reminder to the so-called "self-made" successful person, I don't see why an occasional reminder is a no-no.  It's too easy by far to become self-centered and certain of one's rectitude, particularly when credit isn't given where it's due. 

 

Jabberwocka

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:48am

Click on the link.  You can then go to each of the false statements and get an explanation of why or how the statement is false.  For instance, on the first statement, there are people who don't pay income taxes who DO support Romney. 

Jabberwocka

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:52am

You might find this interesting if you have not yet read it:  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829  A teaser extract:

Mitt Romney is no tissue-paper man. He's closer to being a revolutionary, a backward-world version of Che or Trotsky, with tweezed nostrils instead of a beard, a half-Windsor instead of a leather jerkin. His legendary flip-flops aren't the lies of a bumbling opportunist – they're the confident prevarications of a man untroubled by misleading the nonbeliever in pursuit of a single, all-consuming goal. Romney has a vision, and he's trying for something big: We've just been too slow to sort out what it is, just as we've been slow to grasp the roots of the radical economic changes that have swept the country in the last generation.



Jabberwocka

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Wed, 09-19-2012 - 10:52am
De nada.

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