If McCain wins despite the Polls

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If McCain wins despite the Polls
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Fri, 10-31-2008 - 7:11am

The polls are tightening even though they've showed Obama ahead for a few weeks.


But I think McCain just might pull it off.

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Registered: 10-10-2007
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:38pm

If McCain wins despite America's history of electing the "other" party to the office

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Registered: 03-23-2008
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:41pm

I'm a free human being on a debate board.

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Registered: 10-10-2007
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:43pm

I'm not attacking anyone.


I think that for people to refuse to see why other people would find McCain to be the "better candidate" is to either refuse or have an inability to see things from a different perspective. Judith Warner- who by the way, is a very liberal New York Times columnist- had an epiphany when she read this article.


I'm also neither conservative nor liberal, I would say. I just like McCain better, but I have voted for both parties in the past. I also have friends who are both conservative and liberal. I thought the article was interesting, as well as the column.

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Registered: 08-25-2008
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:49pm

Since when did Obama ever say that he was going to somehow outlaw "thoughtcrime"?


We're already seeing Obama's moves to punish the media and dissent - those TV stations that were asking Biden hard questions were told they would have no more candidate access.

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Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:49pm

I think this race is one that will be determined by independents and democrats.


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Registered: 03-23-2008
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:54pm
And it's already been stated a couple of different times that those reporters were kicked off the plane because there wasn't room, not because of their Republican stance. Obama has Fox News and The Washington Times reporters on his plane. They are hardly liberal by any stance. Also, it has been mentioned that John McCain and his campaign have done the exact same thing. So I question how that does not also lead you to the conclusion that McCain will make "thoughtcrime" illegal, too?

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Registered: 03-09-2007
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 12:58pm

"The basic premise is that liberals are dangerously blind, because they are consistently incampable of understanding conservatives, whereas conservatives can quite easily understand the liberal point of view. I recommend that you read it. "


You do not see that as attacking?

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Registered: 10-07-2008
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 1:00pm

Wasn't she just exercising her freedom of speech.

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Registered: 10-07-2008
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 1:02pm

If Mc Cain wins we're going to have a block party!!! Then we are all pooling our money to buy some stock.

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Registered: 10-08-2008
Fri, 10-31-2008 - 1:23pm

Here is some information on "present" votes in the Illinois legislature, what it means, how they are used.


http://pewresearch.org/pubs/707/present-votes-illinois


'Present' votes defended by Illinois lawmakers

by Daniel C. Vock, Stateline.org Staff Writer
*Stateline.org was a project of the Pew Research Center from 2004 to 2008. As of July 1, 2008, it is a project of the Pew Center on the States.
January 25, 2008


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In most legislatures, lawmakers vote either "yes" or "no" on bills, but in Illinois, senators and representatives can hit a third button for a "present" vote. Now that quirk -- not unique to Illinois -- has sparked heated exchanges among Democrats vying for president.


The two main rivals of Illinois' U.S. Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination accused him during a debate Monday (Jan. 21) of ducking important votes by voting "present" about 130 times during his eight years in the Illinois Senate.


But Obama's former colleagues who still serve in the Illinois Capitol say that the attacks are off-base and that either Obama's opponents don't understand how things work in Springfield or they are deliberately distorting his record.


"To insinuate the 'present' vote means you're indecisive, that you don't have the courage to hold public office, that's a stretch. But, it's good politics," said state Rep. Bill Black (R), a 22-year veteran of the House and his party's floor leader.


In fact, he said, Illinois legislators get attacked for their "present" votes nearly every campaign season. "It's always been a campaign gimmick, really. If you vote 'present' once in 23 years, somebody will bring it up."


The "present" vote in Illinois is sometimes cast by state lawmakers with a conflict of interest who would rather not weigh in on an issue. Other times, members use the option to object to certain parts of a bill, even though they may agree with its overall purpose.


"The 'present' vote is used, especially by more thoughtful legislators, not as a means of avoiding taking a position on an issue, but as a means of signaling concerns about an issue," said state Rep. John Fritchey (D), an Obama supporter.


Read the full report at stateline.org

 

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