If Obama wins is anyone else afraid

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Registered: 08-24-2008
If Obama wins is anyone else afraid
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Sat, 10-04-2008 - 5:25pm
of what will happen to our health care and our nation's security? I am paranoid.

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Registered: 10-05-2008
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 5:24pm

>>>The present

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Registered: 04-09-2006
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 5:26pm

<1) Anyone over 70 yrs old that depends on SS, MUST give up all property & move into "Public Senior Housing".
2) If family members choose to take them in, then they will lose SS benefits.
3) Anyone over 70 in "PSH" will NOT be resuscitated & be able to die with dignity.
4) No expensive treatments for seniors in "PSH"… It's a waste of the "publics funds".
5) If a seniors ailment can be attributed to self infliction, i.e., result of risky acts (driving a car), overweight or smokers, then they do not qualify for treatment… and will be allowed to die with dignity.

Farfetched? I don't think so.>>

Not farfetched. Totally made up AND and a waste of the time of everyone who is trying to discuss real issues.

This board has been subjected to a barrage of similar postings. The only "proof" that's ever offered is links to websites with a serious "conservative bias" (that is, there's a lot of name calling and not very much substance) and books written in the style of the National Enquirer or with the flavor of those infomercials selling systems to make you a millionaire in six weeks, etc. There's never anything of substance presented at all. And there are a lot of "arguments" expressed in short phrases like "that's absurd" or "you're joking, right?" Also lots of "code" words like "elites" (this usually means "educated", "liberal bias" (this means that some statements in an article are supported by facts", "socialism" (redefined to mean "intrusive government"), and so forth.

I've tried to convince myself that there's some cultural difference at work here, and that if I just explained my position clearly and S-L-O-W-L-Y enough, then people who have different political views than mine and I could come to some sort of fruitful discussion of the issues. Instead I feel like I'm confronting some sort of basic intellectual dishonesty: the discussion is being "Swift boated" at every turn, any point of substance is subsequently ignored, and a set of even more outrageous statements is manufactured. I guess it "worked" in 2004. Unfortunately the whole country is paying for the gullibility of half the electorate.




Edited 10/5/2008 6:00 pm ET by muddymessalonskee
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Registered: 05-07-2006
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 5:30pm

Afraid? no
Do I think Obama will take the country in the direction I think is best? no

but...
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34






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Registered: 02-20-2007
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 5:52pm
I am not sure why "liberal" is such a dirty word. Can anyone explain that?
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Registered: 07-05-2006
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 6:00pm

I don't know why "liberal" is such a dirty word.

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Registered: 10-05-2008
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 6:16pm

Perhaps this video will wake up some people...


Most Americans would find it very scary.


The Obama Youth chanting "Alph-Omega" is indicative of a "Messiah" chant.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6JWzBqLWs

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Registered: 01-07-2005
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 6:17pm

From Wikipedia:

Ayers' political views

In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it. We have always been small 'c' communists in the sense that we were never in the party and never Stalinists. The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx. I also like Henry David Thoreau, Mother Jones and Jane Addams "

In 1970 Ayers was called "a national leader" of the Weatherman organization and "one of the chief theoreticians of the Weathermen". The Weathermen were initially part of the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM) within the SDS, splitting from the RYM's Maoists by claiming there was no time to build a vanguard party and that revolutionary war against the United States government and the capitalist system should begin immediately. Their founding document called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism." In June 1974, the Weather Underground released a 151-page volume titled Prairie Fire, which stated: "We are a guerrilla organization We are communist women and men underground in the United States "










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Registered: 05-06-2007
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 6:20pm

Oooh...young black men with goals for the future. Why would I find that scary?


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mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07

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Registered: 01-07-2005
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 6:28pm

I don't have a problem with "traditional" liberals. Unfortunately, most so-called liberal politicians are really progressives. Hillary Clinton even referred to herself as an early 20th century progressive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States

Liberalism 50 years ago was much different than it is today.










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Registered: 07-05-2006
Sun, 10-05-2008 - 6:33pm

Oh, how frightening.

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