..."'If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"

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..."'If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
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Mon, 07-16-2012 - 10:30am

Are you serious????

This is where we are? The President of the United States makes this quote part of his reelection campaign?

America, if a majority buy into this, and do not reject it, the sun has set on us.

Sonny

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Registered: 03-30-2007

Re-election would have worked.   But using POTUS and then talking about Kerry and election in same paragraph was confusing.     If he were to run for POTUS, I would expect him to have tax returns for many years.    I could care less if Romney has a Zillion dollars, just show the returns.   Other wise it throws up a big red flag that something is hiding.   IMO.

 

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Registered: 01-21-2006

I'd prefer that we leave your fanny out of our discussion..lol

The point remains that the authors of the original article you posted, left their sources nameless and faceless, meaning that, what they were reporting as "fact" was nothing more than hearsay. Again, maybe hearsay is fine for some, but it's usually not considered reliable.

You wrote,  "When Kerry ran for president, the nation was not slogging its way of the worst recession since the Great Depression" (sic). Are you suggesting that  those on the left would not have supported John Kerry during poor economic times? I contend if Kerry were running during this election, he would have the support of the left, regardless of his wealth. Obama's net worth is nearly $12 million and that may be a low estimate. I have seen estimates well over $20 million. So, what is the compassion threshold?  What amount do Obama supporters consider a candidate to be too wealthy to relate to the "average" Joe"?

Frankly, it is my opinion that true journalism doesn't exist any longer. The AP certainly has had some problems with reporting news that was later deemed to be false or a hoax. It doesn't seem to me in these cases, that there are repercussions for false reporting, as evidenced by the recent example of Brian Ross of ABC. I am leery of all of them!

shell

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I doubt Romney's and Kerry's economic plans would be similar but one could only hope. Whether Romney did for fact have any kind of association with Bain when they were making capital from investing in a company overseas that made profits from undercutting their workforce should alone speak volumes. This is how many corporations make investments. Part of me can understand why it's not at all important for them to invest in this country (I'm talking more than profit) and how paying workers here better wages is counterproductive to them. Why would they need to depend on American consumption? They simply don't anymore. Consumer demand and investing in America may be necessary for us to survive in a capitalist society but it certainly isn't necessary for investors to survive. More than ever we need a president looking out for our best interest not his wealthy investor comrades. I don't like the fact one of his advisors wants to have the middle class pay more toward debt while giving more revenue toward investment incentives when we clearly see how a lot of that works.

 

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Registered: 03-03-2009

No.  Sources are often quoted in terms which do not include their proper/given names.  That is not at all the same as "hearsay".  In some cases, it means the source wanted to speak freely but wanted anonymity in exchange for providing insights or facts.  The reporter(s) will still have the identifying information to be able to vet the facts with his/her editor.  Doubling down on jumping to conclusions, assumptions and suppositions is not very likely to convince those who know better. 

I can't speak for others regarding support of Kerry.  I was in the ABB camp (Anybody But Bush).  Kerry didn't impress me but he didn't appall me as Bush did.  As for Obama's net value, it's peanuts compared to Romney's.  Romney has so much money that he doesn't want it all banked in the U.S. 

But that's not why I won't be voting for him.  At least in his persona as governor, he seemed more moderate and less ideologue.  Maybe if he wins, he'll be a centrist.  But Romney has walked back from so many of his moderate stances that one wants to ask, "Will the real Mitt Romney please step forward?"  In a nutshell, basic GOP stances on social issues aren't mine.  Then there's the inherent contradiction of candidates (for elected governing positions) running on a platform which says that government is the problem.  Huh?  Is that nonsensical and illogical, or what?!  As P.J. O'Rourke said " The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."

Do show us your source for the claim that AP's story was " later deemed to be false or a hoax".  Otherwise, I'll assume it's part of the same phenomenon described by Leonard Pitts:  "falsehoods are harder to kill than a Hollywood zombie. Run them through with fact, and still they shamble forward, fueled by echo chamber media, ideological tribalism, cognitive dissonance, a certain imperviousness to shame and an understanding that a lie repeated long enough, loudly enough, becomes, in the minds of those who need to believe it, truth."

Brian Ross was not left unscathed:  http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-abcnews-20120726,0,7066540.story

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 01-21-2006

It's late and I  am just returned home from seeing Toby Keith in concert. He is awesome, BTW.

Here's one AP hoax that made news........surprised that you had to ask?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20053523-503544.html

Sorry, when a news article hides behind.." associates close to him" and other faceless sources, it means their story is weak...very weak and only those who already hold the belief about which they pen, would even give them consideration. If faceless sources with no names are good enough for you, that's great!  I tend to look for more concrete evidence than hearsay. Each to his own.

Obama's net value of $12 million is "peanuts".  Okay...got it!

shell

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Interesting and rather disturbing, both for the AP flubup on GE; and for the link's blatant lack of anything at all to do with all the accusations you've hurled about AP's Bain/Romney coverage.  Your continued characterization of the Bain reporting as "hearsay"  smacks of "a lie repeated long enough, loudly enough, becomes, in the minds of those who need to believe it, truth."  The two journalists who wrote the Bain story didn't "hide" anything, you're just perturbed that their story on "your" guy makes him look bad.  Ah well, not to worry.  He can manage that feat all on his own.

In London yesterday, Romney opened his mouth  and inserted a rather large foot during his interview with Brian Williams about the city and its people being ready for the games.  You going to shoot the messenger on that story too?  Last I looked there were over 3000 different stories on Google covering the misstep.  You will need a lot of ammo........  He seemed to have a hard time changing hats from Olympic organizer to presidential candidate.  And as one Tweet noted: "Fulfilling a vow not to insult Obama overseas, Romney insults P.M. David Cameron instead." 

Toby Keith is no idol of mine--he suported the Iraq invasion and is too jingoistic and simplistic by far.  I prefer the Dixie Chicks or Willy Nelson when I listen to country music at all.  Not my cuppa....

You do not have what it takes to be a journalist with integrity.  My actual words on Obama's wealth are these:  As for Obama's net value, it's peanuts compared to Romney's.  

 

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 01-21-2006

What I said about the AP was ..."The AP certainly has had some problems with reporting news that was later deemed to be false or a hoax." Your assumption that I was referring to the story you linked to, was wrong. I didn't hurl accusations at the AP, in fact, I said the article was a nice human interest piece and it is. The point is that AP standards, in my opinion, are not much different than News Corp with whom you compared them.

The definition of hearsay is "Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor." Perhaps you have an inside connection, but most readers can't verify any of the sources given because they aren't named, making it unverifiable information or hearsay. I'm sure this is fine for those who already agree with the premise of the article, they don't need evidence, and the hearsay confirms what they already believe. But for those of us who question the premise of the article, especially those who have seen evidence contrary to the premise, we need a bit more than hearsay to be persuaded to believe something different than what we know to be true. However, I did enjoy reading the article, it was interesting and since it is lacks tangible evidence, it further confirms what Factcheck has been saying all along, that Romney was not at Bain in an active roll after 1999.

I haven't seen the news this morning, but hopefully Romney didn't apologize for America and call us arrogant. Perhaps, you should start a new thread about it.

Toby Keith was awesome. A true patriot!!! He came out and did an entire encore saluting the military. He's a proud American and has no problem demonstrating that in his music or during his concerts. While I don't have idols, if I did, he'd be a good one to choose.

You wrote......"You do not have what it takes to be a journalist with integrity." Why do you feel the need to attack me personally? I never claimed to be a journalist.  It's okay, though, for you to insult me. I really don't mind. I've been on debates boards long enough to know why and when people feel the need to attack, so I'll wear it as a badge of honor.

For the record: In my world $11 million is not peanuts compared to Romney's wealth or anyone else's. It's a huge sum of money.

I will quote you directly and entirely; "As for Obama's net value, it's peanuts compared to Romney's".

 

ETA:  Jingoistic- frantically patriotic.  Yeah, I see this as a good thing! We are a very patriotic family! I think Toby Keith would probably take it as a compliment!

 

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Registered: 03-30-2007

Hate to rain on your parade, but Toby Keith voted for Obama.  

Love the Brit's headlines:      Mitt the Twitt!!!!!    Pretty much sums it up.

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Registered: 03-03-2009

You're repeating the same points ad nauseum and without basis.  Pitts was right.  No point in debating points which are a matter of faith, rather than fact.  Contact AP yourself and ask if they have the ability to identify their sources.  I'm betting they do since the rabid right would have certainly gone ballistic otherwise. 

When AP hacks into other people's phone records, crime victims included, for the sake of tabloid titillation, when it manufactures crowd numbers to support movements it actively promotes, when those who lead the organization commit perjury, then it will have sunk to the level of NewsCorp. 

Jingoism is rarely seen as a positive trait.  Patriotism isn't about arrogance, loud words, or overt gestures.   And when we screw up as we certainly did by invading Iraq, an apology is the very least which ought to be offered. 

Romney didn't handle the Williams interview very well, but you'll probably see and hear more of the details before the day is out.  Here's a link  http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-26/romney-stresses-importance-of-u-dot-s-dot-u-dot-k-dot-alliance  I watched the bit of his interview which aired last night but cannot find a YouTube link or transcript.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 03-30-2007

I wonder, will Fox news carry any of Romney's British trip?      He really showed his "foreign policy" yesterday.

I'd love to see where Obama has ever apologize to any foreign nation.    Just another example of the Rights lies.   Romney apologized a lot yesterday.   Plus, he had no idea about when his wife will be in the Olympics.   He is so out of touch.