I'm done with her

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I'm done with her
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Wed, 10-08-2008 - 2:01pm

Well, I am not defending Sarah Palin anymore.  I have tried to be neutral.  I have suggested that if she did a good job the next 4 years in Alaska, that she might be a great Republican candidate.  But after her attacks this week, I am done.  When I hear interviews with people leaving her rallies saying they are "afraid" of Barack Obama, saying they were on the fence before, but now they are "terrified" if Obama elected.  More and more people are calling him a terrorist.  We've seen these changes on this board this week.

She's either an idiot, or she is content to lead with fear and further fracture our country.  If she believes that for a second that Obama has a terrorist agenda, she's a dummy.  I don't think she believes it, however.  I think she is just throwing out the insinuations, letting people connect the dots, and come to the most vicious of conclusions.   I've heard her lastest battle cry referred to as "red meat" speeches, where she is throwing raw meat to the savage dogs to work them into a frenzy, throwing chum in the water to stir up the sharks. 

I can take this kinda crap from Hannity or Rush or Savage or any of the others.  But she is trying to be the VP - NOTHING about her this week has been either Presidential or remotely classy.   Will she use this same language about world leaders?  Will she say the same about our Secretary of State when they meet with "unfriendly" leaders?  Did Colin Powell or Condy Rice "pal around with terrorists"?  They have certainly met with some of the most controversial leaders in the world. 

I won't defend her any more.  I will not, as a Republican woman myself, support her if chooses to run on '12.  I will leave her to the dogs and let them attack.  I am ready for REAL change, and this type of race baiting, this type of insulting, unpatriotic dialogue about a STANDING US SENATOR, is beyond insulting.  I'm disappointed in her, in myself for supporting her, and this morning, as I listened to part of her speech, I actually threw up in my mouth a little.  Her words, her tone, and the response she created was disgusting.  I am done with her.




Edited 10/9/2008 4:00 am ET by lj_jacieb

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Registered: 09-15-2008
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 1:07am

i am not claiming that there is anything wrong with the aip, or even that palin was a member, i will copy and paste the parts from the article that i posted that, if i cared about associations, would find interesting:


As you already know, the group is the Alaska Independence Party, which sees as its ultimate goal seceding from the union. Todd was a member, with a brief exception, from 1995 until 2002, according to the Division of Elections in Alaska


The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler. Here's what he had to say in a 1991 interview, only a few years before Palin attended its convention: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."


He also said this: "And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."


Vogler has also said: "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."


McCain apologists will argue that Sarah Palin was not a member of this group. But Obama wasn't a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either. And again, Palin repeatedly courted the AIP, and her husband was a member for years


-i'm just having trouble understanding how ayers bombing buildings (never killed anyone) to get the nation's MORAL attention bothers you. but vogler, clearly hates the usa (for reasons i havent researched)so much

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 1:46am

ok, just to have "full disclosure" here - um the Huffington post is about as far left as you can get in the media, but even they had to report:


Wiley says the Secret Service did not begin looking into the matter until press reports, namely Dana Milbank's article in the Washington Post, surfaced today, because no agents at the event heard anything. "The Secret Service did not hear any threatening statements directed at targets under its protection and no threatening statements were reported to us by law enforcement or citizens at the event,"


So while I'm not happy with "my" ticket over a few things - the negativity

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 1:47am

since when did the fact that someone becomes a college professor automatically mean they were not a bad person?

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 1:48am

Actually, I don't see why you are having trouble understanding this. Vogler is dead, he died in 1993 well before Sarah Palin spoke to the AIP for less than a minute and a half. If there's nothing wrong with the AIP then why does it matter that Todd was a member for a while years after Vogler was long dead? Why does it matter that Sarah, as governor, spoke for less than a minute and a half to the AIP, the third largest political party in Alaska; again years after Vogler was dead? Anybody who is interested in finding out what the AIP is might want to read their website. I've pasted the link.

http://www.akip.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Ayers is very different. He is not remorseful and in fact wishes they had done more. He says he would do it again. What a sweet guy. I can see why Obama wants to be his friend. I'll ask again, if Ayers is such a great guy and Obama sees nothing wrong with his relationship with Ayers, why does he lie about it?

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

"Days of Rage"

One of the first acts of the Weathermen after splitting from SDS was to announce they would hold the "Days of Rage" that autumn. This was advertised to "Bring the war home!" Hoping to cause sufficient chaos to "wake" the American public out of what they saw as complacency toward the role of the US in the Vietnam War, the Weathermen meant it to be the largest protest of the decade. They had been told by their regional cadre to expect thousands to attend; however, when they arrived they found only a few hundred people. According to Bill Ayers, "The Days of Rage was an attempt to break from the norms of kind of acceptable theatre of 'here are the anti-war people: containable, marginal, predictable, and here's the little path they're going to march down, and here's where they can make their little statement.' We wanted to say, "No, what we're going to do is whatever we had to do to stop the violence in Vietnam.'"

Shortly before the demonstrations, they blew up a statue in Chicago built to commemorate police casualties incurred in the 1886 Haymarket Riot. The blast broke nearly 100 windows and scattered pieces of the statue onto the Kennedy Expressway below. The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, only to be blown up by the Weathermen a second time on October 6, 1970. The statue was rebuilt once again and Mayor Richard J. Daley posted a 24-hour police guard to protect it.

Though the October 8, 1969 rally in Chicago had failed to draw as many as the Weathermen had anticipated, the two or three hundred who did attend shocked police by rioting through the affluent Gold Coast neighborhood. They smashed the windows of a bank and those of many cars. The crowd ran four blocks before encountering police barricades. They charged the police but broke into small groups; more than 1,000 police counter-attacked. Many protesters were wearing motorcycle or football helmets, but the police were well trained and armed. Large amounts of tear gas were used, and at least twice police ran squad cars full speed into the mob. The rioting lasted approximately half an hour, during which 28 policemen injured (none seriously). Six Weathermen were shot by the police and an unknown number injured; 68 rioters were arrested.

For the next two days, the Weatherman held no rallies or protests. Supporters of the RYM II movement, led by Klonsky and Noel Ignatin, held peaceful rallies in front of the federal courthouse, an International Harvester factory, and Cook County Hospital. The largest event of the Days of Rage took place on Friday, October 9, when RYM II led an interracial march of 2,000 people through a Spanish-speaking part of Chicago.

On October 10, the Weatherman attempted to regroup and resume their demonstrations. About 300 protesters marched through The Loop, Chicago's main business district, watched by a double-line of heavily armed police. The protesters suddenly broke through the police lines and rampaged through the Loop, smashing the windows of cars and stores. The police were prepared, and quickly isolated the rioters. Within 15 minutes, more than half the crowd had been arrested.

The Days of Rage cost Chicago and the state of Illinois approximately $183,000 ($100,000 for National Guard expenses, $35,000 in damages, and $20,000 for one injured citizen's medical expenses). Most of the Weathermen and SDS leaders were now in jail, and the Weathermen would have to pay over $243,000 to pay for their bail.

Investigated for San Francisco police station bombing
Brian V. McDonnell, a sergeant with the San Franscisco Police Department who received fatal shrapnel wounds from a pipe bomb set off on February 16, 1970.
Brian V. McDonnell, a sergeant with the San Franscisco Police Department who received fatal shrapnel wounds from a pipe bomb set off on February 16, 1970.

The group was investigated for a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, in which a pipe bomb filled with shrapnel detonated on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded in the explosion, and Robert Fogarty, another police officer, was severely wounded in his face and legs and was partially blinded. The Weathermen, along with the Black Panther Party were initially investigated for the murder, which was never solved. An investigation was reopened in 1999, and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed.

Initial New York City Bombings

On February 21, 1970, the Weathermen exploded three gasoline-filled firebombs at the home of New York State Supreme Court Justice Murtagh, who was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party over a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. They painted graffiti on the sidewalk in front of his house: "FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS." The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. In late November, 1970, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn promised more bombings.

Greenwich Village explosion

Main article: Greenwich Village townhouse explosion

On March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University, there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated due to a wiring malfunction. WUO members Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins died in the explosion. Cathy Wilkerson and Kathy Boudin escaped unharmed, Boudin running naked from the apartment. It was an accident of history that the site of the Village explosion was the former residence of Merrill Lynch brokerage firm founder Charles Merrill and his son, the poet James Merrill. The younger Merrill subsequently recorded the event in his poem 18 West 11th Street, the title being the address of the house. An FBI report later stated that the group had possessed sufficient amounts of explosive to "level ... both sides of the street".

The bomb preparations have been pointed out by critics of the claim that the Weatherman group did not try to take lives with its bombings. Harvey Klehr, the Andrew W. Mellon professor of politics and history at Emory University in Atlanta, said in 2003, "The only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence. I don't know what sort of defense that is."

Underground

After the Greenwich Village incident, the group was now well underground, and began to refer to themselves as the Weather Underground Organization. At this juncture, WUO shrank considerably, becoming even fewer than they had been when first formed. The group was devastated by the loss of their friends, and in late April, 1970, members of the Weathermen met in California to discuss what had happened in New York and the future of the organization. The group decided to reevaluate their strategy, particularly in regard to their initial belief in the acceptability of human casualties, rejecting such tactics as kidnapping and assassinations.

They wanted to convince the American public that the United States was truly responsible for the calamity in Vietnam. The group began striking at night, bombing empty offices, with warnings always issued in advance to ensure a safe evacuation. According to David Gilbert, " goal was to not hurt any people, and a lot of work went into that. But we wanted to pick targets that showed to the public who was responsible for what was really going on." After the Greenwich Village explosion, no one was killed by WUO bombs.

We were very careful from the moment of the townhouse on to be sure we weren't going to hurt anybody, and we never did hurt anybody. Whenever we put a bomb in a public space, we had figured out all kinds of ways to put checks and balances on the thing and also to get people away from it, and we were remarkably successful.
—Bill Ayers

Investigators search for clues after the May 19, 1972 Weatherman bombing of the Pentagon
Investigators search for clues after the May 19, 1972 Weatherman bombing of the Pentagon

On May 21, 1970, a communiqué from the Weather Underground was issued promising to attack a "symbol or institution of American injustice" within two weeks. The communiqué included taunts towards the FBI, daring them to try and find the group, whose members were spread throughout the United States. Many leftist organizations showed curiosity in the communiqué, and waited to see if the act would in fact occur. However, two weeks would pass without any occurrence. Then on June 9, 1970, their first publicly acknowledged bombing occurred at a New York City police station, saying it was "in outraged response to the assassination of the Soledad Brother George Jackson," who had recently been killed by prison guards in an escape attempt. The FBI placed the Weather Underground organization on the ten most-wanted list by the end of 1970. On May 19, 1972, Ho Chi Minh’s birthday, The Weather Underground placed a bomb in the women’s bathroom in the Air Force wing of The Pentagon. The damage caused flooding that devastated classified information on computer tapes. Leftist groups worldwide applauded the bombing, illustrated by German youth protesting against American military systems in Frankfurt.

Prairie Fire

The Weather Underground’s ideology changed direction in the early 1970’s. With help from former Progressive Labor member, Clayton Van Lydegraf, The Weather Underground sought a more Marxist-Leninist approach. The leading members of the Weather Underground collaborated ideas and published their manifesto: "Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism." By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto. Abbie Hoffman publicly praised Prairie Fire and believed every American should be given a copy. The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the 'Prairie Fire Organizing Committee' in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground. In the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the "May 19 Coalition" and the "Prairie Fire Collective" — with Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers in the latter. The Prairie Fire Collective favored coming out of hiding, with members facing the criminal charges against them, while the May 19 Coalition continued in hiding. A decisive factor in Dohrn's coming out of hiding were her concerns about her children. The Prairie Fire Collective started to surrender to the authorities from the late 1970s to the early 1980s. The remaining Weatherman Underground members continued to violently attack US institutions.

Timothy Leary prison break

In September 1970, the group took a $20,000 payment from a psychedelics distribution organization called The Brotherhood of Eternal Love to break LSD advocate Timothy Leary out of prison, transporting him and his wife to Algeria. Leary joined Eldridge Cleaver in Algeria; his initial press release contains revolutionary rhetoric sympathetic to the Weather Underground's cause. When Leary was eventually captured by the FBI, it is alleged he offered to serve as an informant to capture the Weather Underground members to reduce his prison sentence. Others, such as Robert Anton Wilson, claim he was just feeding false information to the authorities in an attempt to reduce his sentence. Ultimately no one was charged, and Leary served a few more years in prison.

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 1:54am
I tried really hard to hear it on the utube video - 3 times, and I couldn't distinguish it, I wonder - has McCain said he heard it?
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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:03am

since when did the fact that someone becomes a college professor automatically mean they were not a bad person?


http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2003/mar_2003_2.html


I guess no one remembers Dr. Sami Al-Arian from USF.

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Registered: 03-18-2005
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:11am

ok, while I think it is HORRIBLE that this man was attacked...and I'm very glad he's ok -


as I read through the posts basically saying what a sad state we're all in that this country/society - America

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Registered: 03-18-2005
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:22am
Exactly, being a professor means just that...he's a professor - doesn't mean he's an innocent man or even a
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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:28am

Actually, I don't see why you are having trouble understanding this.thanks for the insult.

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:40am
I think it is foolish to think that a person's associates have no influence on his him.
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