I'm done with her

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Registered: 04-09-2007
I'm done with her
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Wed, 10-08-2008 - 2:01pm

Well, I am not defending Sarah Palin anymore.  I have tried to be neutral.  I have suggested that if she did a good job the next 4 years in Alaska, that she might be a great Republican candidate.  But after her attacks this week, I am done.  When I hear interviews with people leaving her rallies saying they are "afraid" of Barack Obama, saying they were on the fence before, but now they are "terrified" if Obama elected.  More and more people are calling him a terrorist.  We've seen these changes on this board this week.

She's either an idiot, or she is content to lead with fear and further fracture our country.  If she believes that for a second that Obama has a terrorist agenda, she's a dummy.  I don't think she believes it, however.  I think she is just throwing out the insinuations, letting people connect the dots, and come to the most vicious of conclusions.   I've heard her lastest battle cry referred to as "red meat" speeches, where she is throwing raw meat to the savage dogs to work them into a frenzy, throwing chum in the water to stir up the sharks. 

I can take this kinda crap from Hannity or Rush or Savage or any of the others.  But she is trying to be the VP - NOTHING about her this week has been either Presidential or remotely classy.   Will she use this same language about world leaders?  Will she say the same about our Secretary of State when they meet with "unfriendly" leaders?  Did Colin Powell or Condy Rice "pal around with terrorists"?  They have certainly met with some of the most controversial leaders in the world. 

I won't defend her any more.  I will not, as a Republican woman myself, support her if chooses to run on '12.  I will leave her to the dogs and let them attack.  I am ready for REAL change, and this type of race baiting, this type of insulting, unpatriotic dialogue about a STANDING US SENATOR, is beyond insulting.  I'm disappointed in her, in myself for supporting her, and this morning, as I listened to part of her speech, I actually threw up in my mouth a little.  Her words, her tone, and the response she created was disgusting.  I am done with her.




Edited 10/9/2008 4:00 am ET by lj_jacieb

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Registered: 04-09-2007
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:49am

How far does the condemnation of association with this man actually go? Do parents need to remove students from his class and possibly the University of Chicago for fear that they will be painted as "students/disciples" of a terrorist? Will all job applicants from this school have to account for their "relationship" with Ayers? What of his colleagues? They work with Ayers - should they leave their jobs?

Obama served with Ayers on a board. They worked toward common community goals.

I worked closely with a lot of people in my 13 years with my company, and we did some great things. Some of those people drove me nuts, some were incompetent, and some have been close friends for over a decade. Most were important to meeting our goal, but I know little of them.

If one says they are only going to work with individuals who are beyond reproach, with customers who have never committed a crime, with colleagues who share our own political views, I would imagine that person's job options would be very limited. Maybe a nature photographer who lives in the wild and works with elk.

I just find this path of "guilt by association" to be a dangerous one. Palin (and many shock jock pundits) refuse to be explicit with any outright accusation, relying instead on fear and innuendo, allowing the listener to "connect the dots" and "draw their own conclusions" when they say "Obama" and "terrorist" in the same breath.

I pray that things turn around before people get worked into a frenzy. But I will add, political attack dog or not, last I checked she was running for the office of VP of the US and not auditioning for a spot on AM talk radio.

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 2:52am

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:13am

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:14am

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it means he dropped his radical ways. it means he reformed himself. it means he is a productive citizen.

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Ayers was not personally responsible for the deaths of the 3 people. He was a member of an organization that had members who were responsible.

Once we drop down this rabbit hole, we lose sight of the fact that the story is a distraction from the start. this has been posted NUMEROUS times before and points out the intentional smear in "guilt by association,"

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html

Once we drop down this rabbit hole, we lose sight of the fact that you are comparing-

- casual acquaintance, living room, $200 donation from former protester
- friends, vacations to Bahamas on private jet, $112,000 donation from convicted felon
- bed mate, shares 5 children, shares total assets with recent member of a succession group

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Registered: 09-15-2008
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:22am

I think it is foolish to think that a person's associates have no influence on his him.

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Registered: 03-18-2005
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:28am

it means he dropped his radical ways


it means he reformed himself


it means he is a productive citizen.


Ayers was not personally responsible for the deaths of the 3 people. He was a member of an organization that had members who were responsible.

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Registered: 04-09-2007
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:33am

So your assertion is that Palin believes that by dropping this information in her speech, the attendees of the rally will run out and educate themselves on the "facts" and will draw their own conclusions. There is not any inSINuation with the facts that are stated, and she only brings it up because.... Why? Because she believes that John McCain or George W. Bush would never be caught associating with a terrorist, or with members of organizations where other members committed violent or terrorist acts?

Are abortion clinic bombings and shootings not considered terrorism? Is it absolved from being labeled a "terrorist act" if one believes the cause to be just?

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Registered: 03-18-2005
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:40am

I think I see it differently because I don't look at it as just 3 aquaintances.

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Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:44am

As an aside, while yes, Vogler is dead, The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is to bring to a vote a number of options, the second of which is to become an "Independent Nation".


http://www.akip.org/goals.html


The party also says that its "primary goal is merely a vote on secession".


http://www.akip.org/introduction.html


 

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Registered: 03-18-2005
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 3:46am

nothing I said asserted any such thing.

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