Isn't it about choice?

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Registered: 06-22-2003
Isn't it about choice?
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Sat, 10-23-2004 - 9:05am
I come from a very conservative family. When I registered as a Republican at 18 I began to ask myself if I really went along with the party lines. I fully believed that abortion was wrong, but shouldn't a woman have a choice? The more I thought about the issue the more my thinking changed. This is what I believe now:

A woman has a right to choose to have sex.

If that choice is taken away (rape or incest)then abortion is ok.

If the mother's life is at stake that would be self-defense and again abortion would be ok.

If a woman is not in the position to take care of or does not want a child, she should choose to use birth control or choose not to have sex. If birth control fails the the baby could be put up for adoption.

It looks like I'm still a republician. I know the aborition issue has popped up here and there, but I just wanted someone to tell me how this reasoning would be taking away the right of women to choose.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-27-2004
Sat, 10-23-2004 - 9:28am
I end up having this conversation a lot, and will tell you one of the most ridiculous arguments for abortion, but it is an argument I hear often.

It's not just about choice, it's about equal choice. You're postition fails that test right after "A woman has a right to choose to have sex."

Men and women can both choose to have sex, however, the man doesn't get pregnant. Until the government can force a man to carry a baby, it has no right to force a woman.



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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 10-23-2004 - 9:30am

Very good.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 10-23-2004 - 12:32pm
This is to those who believe the argument you posted. I'm not completely clear if it's your

viewpoint or not but I don't believe it is (you are stating that you've heard others argue this, right?)

Then you don't believe life begins at conception nor that an unborn child has any rights? That seems to be the key difference between the two views.

If you believe that a woman should not be made to carry a baby she took part in creating at what point do you believe her right to exterminate it ends if ever? Do you believe she would have the right to insert a needle into her uterus right before birth to euthanize the child before it has a chance to be delivered...so she could avoid giving birth because she doesn't want to? Afterall her body right?

I'm no so sure just because men don't give birth they shouldn't be given a voice with regards to the unborn because afterall woman don't create life all by themselves.

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Registered: 06-22-2003
Sat, 10-23-2004 - 6:43pm
I guess part of my guestion should have been when did it become pro-choice and not pro-abortion? Many people make the arguement that they believe abortion is wrong but don't want to take away another woman't "right to choose." I don't believe you are taking away a woman't right to choose. I believe you are making her reaction to the consequences of her choice illegal. Again if she CHOOSES to break the law (back alley abortion) that is her choice. There isn't even a reason to bring in when life begins, since no one knows when that is. (I personally believe it begins at inplantation.)
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2003
Sat, 10-23-2004 - 7:20pm

I am personally a pro-life person but I'd have no problem voting for a pro-choice person if I agreed with the

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Registered: 10-16-2004
Sat, 10-23-2004 - 7:22pm
I would like to share with you what my grandmother told me. She never wanted children, but back then when you got married the husband had a right to sex,Their was no such thing as the pill, so she had no choice in the matter. I am glad she had her children, cause I would not be here. But I think takeing the choice away from people is wrong, forceing a woman to have an unwanted child can start the circle of abuse that alot of children face today. I know not everyone will agree with me, that is your right. But I think it is a womans right to do with her boday as she sees fit, no one can walk in someone elses shoes, no one should have someone elses views forced on them. thank you.
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Registered: 03-25-2003
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 8:37am

Not sure where to throw this, but Kerry voting against the PBA law because of parental consent along with health (or is it life--still not feeling the best and brain is muddled) of mother.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2003
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 10:31am
I disagree with the lack of parental notification!
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-27-2004
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 10:34am
Okay, this goes back to the misconception that the PBA ban would ban all abortions after a certain point in the pregnancy. The PBA ban is designed to outlaw an abortion procedure that delivers a baby in the breech presentation until all but the head is delivered. At that point the doctor drills a hole in the baby's skull and then sucks its brains out, then delivers the dead baby.

There are other methods that will abort a baby late in pregnancy.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-22-2003
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 7:42pm
My point is that laws against abortion do not take away a woman's "right to choose." The exceptions to the law are the cases where the choice to have sex is taken away or the option to save the woman's life. In the case of a minor, I agree things get murkier, but only when the case is incest or rape. Teenages have basicly been taught there aren't any serious consequences for their choices. If you get pregnant just get an abortion. Yes I know how hormones rage. And there will always be teenagers who have sex. I just wish more people would talk about the choice to have sex instead of the choice to have an abortion.

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