its your decision?

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 8:42am
I already knew Obama was pro-choice, that's why I can't vote for him, I believe the willful and intentional killing of an innocent life is morally wrong and I can't support/vote for anyone who condones abortion as a means of birth control. What I DIDN'T know is that Obama is not only an abortion extremist, but he support partial birth abortion. WHO in their right mind supports partial birth abortion? Abortion is one evil, but partial birth abortion (PBA) is another evil altogether. Who wouldn't vote yes on a ban for PBA? To half-deliver a baby and then suck their brains out.... hellooo? That's a no brainer! (pun intended). You don't half-deliver a baby and mash their brain up. People are known to vomit when they witness a procedure, some people can't even read through a description of the gruseome details. 80% of America is against PBA.
First, look at this quote:
"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” Punished! Punished with a baby. Since when were babies punishment? That's a nice attitude to have.
I was all over the internet on various sites, reading news articles and doing research, but I think you can find most of the relevant information right here:http://obamawantsyou.
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By the way, Obama reveals his deceptiveness and/or ignorance with his ads trying to say that McCain will make abortion illegal. But overturning Roe doesn’t make abortion illegal. It returns the power to the states - to the people - and lets them decide.

His excuse for voting "no" on a ban for PBA was because the language of the bill was close to eliminating a woman's right to choose and he says the health of the woman is more important. How could killing the child after it's already been delivered be any health risk to the mother? The baby has already gestated for many, many weeks (and in some cases PBA’s have been performed on the day the baby was due), and has already been delivered, ALIVE (up until that “doctor” sucks its brains out). The only damage that could be done to the mother at that point is the crippling emotional damage she will suffer after the procedure is done. Also, his wife wrote a fundraising letter to gain support that partial birth abortion is a legitimate medical procedure.

This is an account written by a registered nurse named Brenda Pratt Shafer after she was assigned to an abortion clinic. She thought she was pro-choice until she witnessed this: "I stood at the doctor's side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby's body and arms, everything but his little head. The baby's body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby's head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen." I felt like I had to spread the word because I can't stand the thought of a man who is OK with this being our commander in chief! So if you are voting for Obama as a "lesser of two evils" you might want to think again. Supporting such a hideous procedure is unreal.
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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 9:06am
"Partial Birth Abortion" is not a scientific or medical term - it's a political term dreamed up by anti-abortion extremists to get their followers emotionally charged.
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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 9:23am

I didn't write the below explanation, but a friend did, it follows my thoughts on abortion.


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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 9:40am

i also follow the thoughts and beliefs of what has been written by your friend. We as people do not have the right to decide what rights another human being has and to me that also counts as an unborn child. Thanks for posting this!

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 9:49am
a medical/ scientific term or not it is still not right in my opinion. could you watch a doctor do that to a child and live
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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 10:01am

"The real questions are these: When does life begin? ..."
Those are your questions; not mine. They aren't "the real questions" just because you said so. Nobody doubts that foetuses are alive. That's not the question. It's human and it's alive - but is it a human being? When does it become an actual human being? We don't know this as it's a moral question and people are going to differ on it. Two seconds after conception it is alive and it is human - but it's not a human being. 5 minutes, same thing; 1 hour, a day...where's the limit. Any limit we draw is to some degree arbitrary. Punishing women by forcing them to bear to term a pregnancy they do not want is reprehensible, if it's not a human being. Killing a human being is reprehensible. But where is 'the right place' to make the limit? We don't know - and so we have some rules established regarding viability and trimesters. Not perfect, but it's not just making stuff up either or forcing people to do things based on mythological ideas like "souls."

"I do believe that if we placed a greater value on human life, we would live in a much nicer world."
People who are pro-choice value human beings no less than those who are pro-life. Respecting life, is a lot like understanding logic - most people are a lot better at talking about it than practicing it.

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 10:11am

"a medical/ scientific term or not it is still not right in my opinion."
We're almost in agreement.

"could you watch a doctor do that to a child and live with what you just witnessed?"
No idea. It's not my problem to deal with. It's between the woman and her doctor(s)."

"breathing or not a child that is delivered all the way but the head and then killed to me is murder."
Some people think killing cows is murder; some even think killing rats or roaches is murder. People believe what they believe. D&X (the technical term for these abortions) happen because the foetus INDUCED to come out to prevent damage to the uterus. It's not like they wait for the baby to be born and then kill it. The majority of D&X happen, IIRC, at 20-24 weeks. It's not like the baby is about to be born and then after the fact, the baby is killed. What difference does it make to the foetus whether it's done inside or outside the women or part inside and part outside?

For reference, far less than 1% of abortions are D&X.

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 10:30am




  • Abortions after fetal viability are extremely rare. Half of the 1.5 million abortions in the U.S. each year take place within the first eight weeks of pregancy; nine in 10 occur within the first 12 weeks. Less than 1 percent are performed after 20 weeks.(11) Some 300-600 abortions -- or up to four one-hundredths of 1 percent -- are performed after 26 weeks.(12)

  • Abortions after fetal viability take place in the most compelling of circumstances.

  • Eight in 10 Americans surveyed consistently say that abortion should be legal in cases of fetal defect.(13) Severe fetal defects often are not diagnosed until late in pregnancy. Amniocentesis, which can be used to diagnose hundreds of these serious fetal conditions, may not produce results until after 20 weeks of gestation.(14) Consequently, locating a physician who will perform the abortion(15), making travel arrangements, and securing the necessary funds may be a time-consuming process.

  • Other tragic circumstances sometimes turn a wanted pregnancy into a potential medical disaster. In some cases, a preexisting medical condition, such as heart or kidney disease, may be so severely exacerbated by pregnancy that the woman's life is threatened. In other cases, a pregnant woman who had thought she was completely healthy may be diagnosed with a serious medical condition such as breast cancer. In these cases, an abortion becomes medically indicated, since continuing the pregnancy would make treatment impossible. In still other cases, pregnancy itself may cause some dangerous conditions, such as preeclampsia -- which do not become severe until late in pregnancy.

  • In addition to abortions for medical indications such as these, abortions after viability also are sought by a very small number of women in extremely difficult life situations, such as very young girls who conceal their pregnancies or who may be victims of incest; women who abuse alcohol or other drugs; or women who suffer severe mental or emotional impairments.


In these circumstances, there may be little that can be done to reduce the need for post-viability procedures. However, to the extent that the need for even a handful of post-viability procedures could be reduced, such reductions could best be sought by improving sexuality education and family planning services to help women avoid unintended pregnancies and recognize the signs of pregnancy earlier, by increasing public funds available for poor women's abortions early in pregnancy, and by ensuring that abortion services are available to women in all parts of the country.

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 10:36am

I think 300 murders are too many, but also note that less than 2% of abortions after 16 weeks gestation are for the health of mother or the baby having an abnormality.


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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 10:44am

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it not necessarily our problem but its not right for someone to be able to have the right to do so. to me thats like saying, "ok my child who is only 12

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 10:57am

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severe medical reasons or putting the mothers life in immediate danger is understandable but to do it just because of the reasons of being too young, abuse of alcohol or drugs, or suffer from severe mental or emotional imparirments sorry,

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