Last night's Bush/ Kerry debate?

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Last night's Bush/ Kerry debate?
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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 5:08pm

Given that I work here, I can't take a partisan stand, but I wanted to hear what you thought of the debate. The polls I've seen say that Kerry won hands down.

Susan Hahn
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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 6:40am

from what I understand, When Kerry says that the US needs help, he isn't slamming the American Soldier or saying that they are not doing a good job.

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 9:04am
I know what you mean...I'm not thrilled with either choice. For me it's like a choice between the lesser of two evils....For me the lesser of 2 evils is Bush. The thing about the war is that Bush didn't decide this all on his own...the president of the United States doesn't have *that* kind of power. And regardless of what Kerry says, he did back that war. And if the troops don't have proper protection it's because funding the troops was voted down and Kerry was one who voted it down...and then he has the gall to turn around and blame Bush for it. Sorry, don't mean to start a debate on this...just watching the debate really turned my stomach!! I thought our President handled all the negativity really well.

Another thing about the war....at this point, it doesn't really matter how they got there...what matters is what happens from here on out. Which man is best for our troops from here on out...every military person I know does NOT want Kerry for their commander in Chief. My son would like to reinlist...but doesn not want Kerry. I just can't picture him as Commander in Chief...he doesn't seem to give our servicemen much credit. Another thing I don't like about him is he sure paints a bleak picture of middle class americans. My life isn't as bad as he makes it sound. I don't need his help...Pres. Bush hasn't ruined my life with his tax breaks....In fact, they didn't only affect him and Kerry, I received them as well...I don't know where Kerry got the idea that only he and Bush received them. Sigh...sorry...I guess I just get tired of hearing his negativity all the time and I certainly don't want to hear it for the next four years.

Anyway, I'm not too worried about the election....whatever happens is what's meant to be.

Sue

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 9:13am

I meant that I am an employee of iVillage, not the CL for this board. As an employee, I don't really think it's appropriate for me to take sides.

Susan Hahn
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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 9:37am
I'm with you. The most important issue concerning America today is the war on terrorism. Kerry simply does not and will never have the respect he needs to become Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. He believed the war in Vietnam was wrong and he believes the war in Iraq is wrong--that is not the leader we want in a wartime situation and we are in a wartime situation (something I think many people still don't get).

All those prior terrorists attacks....the USS Cole, the first World Trade Center, etc...were tests and we did virtually nothing. The terrorists viewed us as weak, unwilling to fight and so they got bolder and bolder and well, we know what happened.

Did the Bush administration underestimate their power and influence on the region and now find themselves rethinking their strategy? Sure. Doesn't mean we're wrong to be there? No. (I have been a member of the intelligence community and my husband continues to be--his first thought the day of 9/11 was "Saddam Hussein had something to do with this". Of course we now know it was Bin Laden but that's got to tell you something....someone who has studied this situation for years believing Hussein was behind it at first thought. Haven't we let the Iraqi people down before causing them to distrust us? Yes. It's no wonder they view us with suspicion....we have a track record with them, and they've been ruled by tyranny for years...a very suppressed people. People who fear we will leave them once again to fall into the hands of who knows who....and they want to make sure they don't find themselves marked if that should come into play. I'm convinced that this president won't allow that to happen. I'm not convinced John Kerry sees it that way and that is frightening.

But it's even more simple than that.....you simply don't betray your fellow servicemen the way he did and become President of the United States. The damage is profound and irreparable....bet he had no idea how many folks out there despised him for his actions. He hasn't earned the right to be the President.

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 12:35pm
One problem I have with Kerry's plan is to involve other countries in Iraq.
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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 12:47pm

Choosing to go to war on bad intelligence and deciding that we can't do it alone is alot different then saying "the war is wrong."

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 12:51pm

I guess my main issue with Kerry is that he keeps saying things like "Help is on the way" or "I can do better" but he never gives a plan for it.

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 12:51pm

Yes!

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 1:08pm
I think the problem is that Bush basically told the UN and a lot of other people to "butt out" on this and now that we need help, I don't think they are all that interested in dealing with HIM. Clearly it is not in *anyone's* best interest for Iraq to be a haven for terrorist types. These other countries (not just France and Germany - there are a LOT of other countries out there!) are going to be a lot more likely to get involved and help if we have a new leader with fresh credibility (Kerry is the son of a diplomat, speaks several languages, and sits on the Foreign Relations committee). Also by sharing the redevelopment contracts with other nations they are going to be a lot more likely to help out (something W. has refused to do). Remember, it was BUSH who said we didn't need to UN.....

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 1:17pm
Exactly! It's Kerry's honesty and integrity that gets him in trouble! He was willing to admit that he made a mistake in voting for the war, and in voting against funding (which from what I understand was a belated attempt to correct the first mistake). Also, just to clarify, Kerry voted to "authorize the president to make the decision" to go to war, not for the war itself. And only under a very speicific set of circumstances. Bush violated the promises he made to Congress by going ahead with the war before those conditions were met.

Bush has NEVER been willing to admit that mistakes were made. At all! Bush's "position" is so absurd to me because he not only lacks a plan, but his entire justification for going forward is to "stay the course" - however inappropriate that course may be.

(and yes Kerry does have a 4 point plan which he spelled out very clearly in the debate.)

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