Last night's Bush/ Kerry debate?

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Last night's Bush/ Kerry debate?
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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 5:08pm

Given that I work here, I can't take a partisan stand, but I wanted to hear what you thought of the debate. The polls I've seen say that Kerry won hands down.

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 6:53pm
Actually no, I never bought the premise that we were looking out for the Iraqi people. I know that it all boils down to oil and money in the end. I just think that Kerry is better equipped to deal with the situation HONESTLY, without further BS about the grande state of affairs over there. Bush says we are "spreading freedom and democracy" -- Yeah, right!

Why give Bush four more years? Haven't we had enough corruption for the time being?

Carrie


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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 9:54pm


Nobody knew what the questions were beforehand so none of the answers were scripted.
Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 9:59pm


Kerry's vote against the 87 million or whatever the amount was a protest vote. Kerry and everyone else knew the vote was going to go through in a landslide. So it is really a moot point. People protest vote ALL the time in congress.

Kerry should have slammed Bush. Our economy is on the rocks and more and more troops are dying everyday for a premptive war that is NOT helping our war on terror. Which SHOULD have been in Afghanistan but is now in Iraq because of Bush's PREMPTIVE attack. There were NO WMD. Our troops WERE left without proper armor. Especially our national guard. Now thankfully they are fully prepared but only AFTER they were put in the field without proper protection in the first place because BUSH did NOT plan the Iraq war alll the way through and he has FORGOTTEN about Afghanistan. We never hear news about it anymore even though there are TONS of problems.

Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:01pm


EXACTLY. Don't confuse comments about the war with comments about the warriors. These are extremely different concerns.
Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:04pm


I'm glad that you aren't making this a one issue election for yourself. Too often people will latch on to one issue and vote one way or the other no matter what because of that one issue. I think that is narrow-sighted.

Say for instance you wanted your child to go to a school that supported one particular religion. You wouldn't ONLY make sure they provided that religious teaching without also making sure they had a decent academic program!!

Looking at many facets of the campaigns is the way to go. Glad to see someone doing just that.

Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:11pm
I guess I would rather here what you refer to as negativity (what I call truth )then be lied to.

Bush has lied to us one to many times.

WMD - not there

Sadam in cohoots with Osama - nope

tax cuts helping/economy on track - NO WAY. Tell that to my BIL who lost his job and to my Dad who can't make ends meet because of inflation and lack of a raise. No President has EVER cut taxes DURING a war.

No more. America needs a fresh start and the best place to begin is with a little truth.

Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:24pm


The war in Vietnam WAS WRONG. The war in Iraq WAS WRONG. But Kerry and I believe that we have to finish what we've started by circling the wagons of the world.

Actually Bill Clinton was virtually obsessed with terrorism. So much so that when the Bush admin took office they did the exact opposite because they were so anti-Clinton.

That's exactly it. Bush isn't rethinking his strategy. He only has one path and it is a straight line. There is no room for change in this man's mind. He sees in black and white, good and evil. Very few issues in life are really this simple. Oversimplification is what got us into this mess. It sure as heck isn't going to get us out of is.

They had to have known that the Saudis (Osama) were in on this. They were the only folks in the air on 9/11 after planes were grounded. Didn't anyone in the Bush admin think it strange that a bunch of Saudis wanted to get out of the US ASAP?

There are suppressed people all over the world. There are plenty of nations that are living under dictators but we don't blow them all back to the stone age do we? No we don't. He picked Iraq for very specific reasons. And I assure you it wasn't only because of the tyranny of Sadam.

John Kerry did NOT betray his country. He served his country with pride and returned to use his rights as an American to protest against a war that was WRONG. That if I am not mistaken is about as patriotic as it gets. Standing up for what you believe in is part of the foundation of this country. But dodging the draft and lying about it later is most defintely un-American.

There is NO comparison here. John Kerry is by far the better choice. Bush doesn't even hold press conferences. Remember those? Where the president answers questions? Bush is too afraid to answer questions. But to be fair it has to be "hard work" answering questions when Karl Rove's hand is up his bum pushing the buttons that make him talk. It is all so sad and un-American.

Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:26pm


Well for starters you can get help if you offer countries a fair shot at re-construction efforts. With no share in the benefits post-war, nobody is going to sign up. Hey there is an idea. Maybe Haliburton can train some troops? Afterall they are making quite a chunck of change off of the reconstruction.

Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:37pm


Actually some have said that he has laid out more of a plan in a campaign then many other presidential elections. Here is a summary of what I've picked up in the last few months through various sources....

He will begin to withdraw troops in 6 months if it is possible (he cites many caveats). He will be able to begin a withdrawal by engaging our allies. I suspect he might discuss re-engaging in the Kyoto treaty, re-engage in the mid-east talks and offer a FAIR shake at reconstruction contracts.

Part of what will help us is less dependence on foreign oil. Alaska will only sustain the U.S. in its entirety for a very short period of time so we have to encourage innovation in other investments.

Maybe stop building on the failed missle defense as it is more suited for the cold war instead of the war on terror. This money could be shifted. I haven't heard this directly from Kerry but I know Cheney is big into the failed missle defense because of his Haliburton connections. Big time conflict of interest. He still has stock with them

Organize troops in a smarter fashion. We need special forces and lots of them.

Beef up intelligence. Get those thousands of untranslated "chatter" from potential terrorists translated and analyzed.



Here is what I know of Bush's plan: Go it alone, coherce help from other countries, ignore the economy, put us furhter in debt, same old, same old.

Peggy

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Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:40pm


Yeah, I don't get what is gained by using bi-lateral talks with a summit of sorts is already underway. That is the only issue that bothered me on the Kerry side. But since Kerry's dad was a virtual foreign relations guru. And Kerry is an expert himself I'll accept that he knows what he is doing in this area. I know Bush sure doesn't. Nothing like making the entire world peev'd at us. We are a big powerful country but it is a small, small world.
Peggy

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