LOL - White Fright

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LOL - White Fright
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Tue, 08-31-2010 - 5:18pm

That (gasp) atheist Christopher Hitchens' comments on Beck Rally and other things.

"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society."


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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 9:42am
I hope you're wrong about the ascendency of another religious right.

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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 10:09am

Isn't that really the heart of the issue right now - from Beck, Palin, et. al.? While it may not explicitly be about race, this country is very much being divided into social progressive vs. conservative/regressive factions. What is "restoring honor", getting back to our roots, constantly invoking the founding fathers, "taking back our country", returning to god, etc. if not a way of thinking that says things were better before (before what is the question, of course)? Most progressives believe that, though things like the economy get better and worse (obviously), society continues to improve.

Knowing that, I can't imagine why anyone would think progressives would appreciate the overall message of the Beck rally. It was, among other things, a series of sermons dedicated to turning back the clock. Most progressives think, when it comes to attitudes about our military, our relationship with god (or lack thereof), the role of government in helping provide for a stable society, etc., we're moving along just fine. And if we think things need to be changed, we're sure as heck not going to learn that lesson from the likes of Beck and Palin. At least that's my opinion.

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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 10:31am
Not a religious right only, a general rejection of secularism and rational humanism as the guiding principles of society.

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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 10:40am

To try to bring this back on some semblance of the topic I will say that while Hitchins sees whites fearing some coming tipping point where they are outnumbered by the combined populations of other races and that is the reason for their uprising, what *I* think they (and it isn't just whites) really fear is the coming tipping point where govt assistance is being given to the majority on the backs of the minority...this, it seems, is okay with you? You say, regarding this increasing presence of govt in everyday lives of people,

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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 11:07am

"what *I* think they (and it isn't just whites) really fear is the coming tipping point where govt assistance is being given to the majority on the backs of the minority"

May I ask what it is in this administration's policies that is making you, and according to your hypothesis a lot of other people too, fear this?


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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 11:10am

"The GOP makes no secret that they've pursued the southern strategy."


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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 11:14am

Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it, but merely popularized it. In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy


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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 11:16am

("what *I* think they (and it isn't just whites) really fear is the coming tipping point where govt assistance is being given to the majority on the backs of the minority")

I know you didn't ask me, but I'm afraid of the same thing. I'm afraid that our economy has gotten so screwed up and the wealth disparity is so great that we have so many people making so little that they require government assistance. But, what I'm just as afraid of is that, rather than sympathy and understanding, more and more people seem to be treating them with disdain.

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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 11:17am
"this country is very much being divided into social progressive vs. conservative/regressive factions...

Knowing that, I can't imagine why anyone would think progressives would appreciate the overall message of the Beck rally."


I agree. The progressive movement has rarely if ever shown any interest in looking deeper than the color of people's skin and the accent in their voice so a message "We are all one people and should share in equal opportunity" will unlikely ever resonate well with

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Wed, 09-01-2010 - 11:21am

Just found a piece in the NYT that touches on what I mean:

" If there was a political message to the meeting, it was that many people think America’s peril is fundamentally spiritual, not economic."

"People like those at last weekend’s rally want the Judeo-Christian ethic back, which sweetened and softened life on the frontier (physical or technological). And so they march. They are only vaguely aware of this value system. It is so entwined into their very nature, they can not step back and define it. But they feel it weakening."

More at link: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/what-the-tea-party-really-wants/?hp


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