Mccain health plan, for the rich

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Mccain health plan, for the rich
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Sun, 09-07-2008 - 7:55am

Most of us realize that health insurance is broken.

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Registered: 12-17-2006
Mon, 09-08-2008 - 6:37pm

Obama will give a 2500 dollar tax credit for any FAMILY who also PAID out that expense! THAT is not even a child tax credit and IF you DID not pay out the expense you will not receive the deduction, for those who do not do deductions they will not receive the credit at all!


I wish people would realize that OBAMA is NOT the FIRST to talk about socialized medicine...he actually is far from it, it was mentioned even when Truman was President!


Hillary Clinton has worked to get a form of socialized medicine for the two terms she was First Lady, it failed both times...


YOU can NOT insure 330 million people with all the bells and whistles and it NOT cost enormously! HOW would you cover those with pre-existing conditions? THOSE whose bills are up in the hundreds of thousands being treated for AIDS or catastrophic cancers?


WHAT you would get would amount to a state to state funded welfare system like medicaid, you would NOT get any bells and whistles and you would NOT get to pick a doctor, because all doctors would then be employed by the state! ALL of the specialists would move to Japan or elsewhere they could practice PRIVATE medicine, you would also not get the benefit of just dropping in to a clinic or doctor's office, ONLY THE SICKEST would be seen all others would be turned away....


PEOPLE THINK....IF it SEEMS too GOOD to be TRUE it IS! COME ON! WHO is going to fall for this? IT will NOT happen...you have to sit down and examine how the healthcare system works, and WE STILL HAVE the GREATEST in the WORLD...why do you think people from Canada are at MD Anderson RIGHT NOW as we speak getting treated?


Look at this, all drug companies would pull out of the market, because all drugs would become governmental dispensed private research would cease! YOU can NOT have a GOVERNMENT program UNLESS the ENTIRE process is CONTROLLED by the GOVERNMENT!


McCain had a better solution....DEMAND and REGULATE insurance companies to lower their standards for applications, as well as make it harder for them to deny pre-existing conditions or have to cover at the least HALF...and finally MAKE the PREMIUMS affordable and make employee insurance for companies over 30, mandatory!


Obama's promises will do nothing but attempt to further break a welfare system that is inadequate and a failure, and he will NOT even get that far with it....its a panacea...nothing more! A way to win votes!

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 6:41pm

I went back to read Obama's health care plan and it doesn't look like socialized medicine to me.

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 6:42pm

McCain plan is to provide an income tax credit of $5000 per family, paid directly to an insurance company.


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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 6:57pm

Have you even read any of the links provided in this thread? It sure seems like you haven't. I'm not trying to start an argument but you don't seem particularly informed.


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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 7:04pm

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Registered: 02-22-2008
Mon, 09-08-2008 - 7:27pm

I found this on McCain's healthcare plan, and I don't like it at all.


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Sounds like more of the same I don't support this plan either.

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Mon, 09-08-2008 - 8:48pm

 

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Registered: 05-14-2008
Tue, 09-09-2008 - 7:31am

Nah. Obama has greed and ignorance on his side. McCain has the harder task of convincing voters that a sound economy is more important than specific government help aimed directly at them. Seems to me like Knjess doesn't need convicing:

Obama Has Edge on Economy
September 9, 2008; Page A2
We learned a lot about the U.S. presidential campaign at the two parties' national conventions -- that Barack Obama can fill a stadium, that Sarah Palin can give a better speech than her new boss, that it is possible to say "change" a hundred times a night -- but above all we learned this: Both campaigns think the most important issue in the next 56 days is middle-class economic anxiety.

And that means John McCain has a problem. His pitch to the middle class -- my policies will produce a better economy, which in turn will produce lasting jobs, which in turn will help you -- is a lot harder to sell than the pitch of Sen. Obama. The Obama message to the middle class is, simply: I'll give you a tax cut and a health plan.


With middle-class economic anxieties a main topic of the presidential election, both McCain and Obama are pitching policies for a better economy. But WSJ's Jerry Seib says McCain has a problem -- his plan is harder to sell. (Sept. 9)
It's possible Sen. McCain has the sounder plan, but who's got the better bumper sticker?

Republicans recognize the difficulty. In a conversation near the end of the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn., one senior McCain adviser agreed that the campaign's economic message hasn't "punched through." Similarly, President George W. Bush's political maestro, Karl Rove, said the campaign's top need was to put forth "a domestic reform agenda on kitchen-table issues."

Intriguingly, the economic message conundrum is in many ways the reverse of the two candidates' positions on rising gas prices during the summer. Then it was Sen. McCain who found the simple formula: I'll suspend the federal tax on gas and allow drilling offshore for more oil.

It was Sen. Obama who tried to sell the nuanced, long-term plan, arguing against going after easy and gimmicky short-term fixes, contending that there isn't all that much more oil to be found offshore, urging a focus on conservation and alternative energy, and so forth. He may well have had the better policy position, but Sen. McCain got the better of the politics.

On middle-class economics, the McCain position is, essentially, that his policy of preserving the existing Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers while keeping capital-gains rates low, cutting corporate taxes and keeping government spending down will produce an economy that creates lasting jobs for the middle class. He offers one bit of help specifically for middle-income families: a doubling of the personal exemption for dependents to $7,000. He also promises to give individuals help in buying their own health-insurance policies, so they can carry them from job to job.

By contrast, the McCain camp argues, the Obama formula of raising taxes on upper-income households and businesses, while also increasing capital-gains taxes and adding health-care mandates for small businesses, will produce a job-killing machine.

But the difficulty in transmitting that Republican message was encapsulated by the acceptance speeches at the two conventions.

Sen. McCain said this: "My tax cuts will create jobs. His tax increases will eliminate them. My health-care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health-care insurance. His plan will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government-run health-care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor....Keeping taxes low helps small businesses grow and create new jobs."

Among other things, that sounds on the surface like more of the same policies that voters have gotten in two Bush terms, not necessarily a good thing in a year of "change."

By contrast, Sen. Obama said in his speech: "I will cut taxes -- cut taxes -- for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class."

Never mind that nobody actually is proposing to raise taxes on the middle class; it's hard to beat that message for simplicity and punch.

For both candidates, the fine print of their economic plans presents some messiness they'd prefer to avoid talking about. Sen. Obama's middle-class tax cut would take the form of a tax credit of as much as $1,000 per family, which his campaign says would eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans. He'd also launch a potentially expensive new government health-insurance plan, continuing to rely on employer-provided insurance but providing a big government safety net.

To pay for what amounts to a tax cut on top of the existing Bush tax cut for middle-income families, Sen. Obama would raise taxes on households earning more than $250,000, eliminate some corporate tax breaks and raise capital-gains taxes. He'd also keep the alternative minimum tax in place for many taxpayers.

Sen. McCain, meanwhile, wants to make all the Bush tax cuts permanent, while cutting the corporate tax rate and phasing out the alternative minimum tax -- the latter an expensive proposition indeed. In substantive terms, the question is how to pay for what amounts to a very aggressive low-tax plan.

In political terms, the question is much different. It is how Sen. McCain -- not exceptionally adept at talking kitchen-table economics -- can persuade middle-income Americans of his basic argument that a sound economy is more important than specific government help aimed directly at them.

One Republican hope is that Gov. Palin, who exudes middle-class sensibilities, can help make the case. One possibility is to tinker with the formula to add benefits specifically for the middle class, maybe through a new stimulus plan.

But in a year in which anxiety about the effects of a global economy, the job-killing potential of new technology and the pain of high energy prices are combining to produce exceptionally deep-seated economic fears, the Republican imperative to resonate with the middle class is high.

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