Michele Joined The Race, and Debated?

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Registered: 11-13-2009
Michele Joined The Race, and Debated?
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Tue, 06-14-2011 - 2:09pm

 

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Registered: 05-03-2011
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 4:15pm
I'm extremely concerned about any candidate who thinks intelligent design should be taught in science courses in the schools.
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 4:28pm
I tried to find information on this bill that she supported. It was SF1714 in the 83rd legislative session. This is what I found:
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S.F. No. 1714, as introduced - 83rd Legislative Session (2003-2004) Posted on Feb 03, 2004

1.1 A bill for an act
1.2 relating to education; authorizing school districts to
1.3 teach students to understand full range of scientific
1.4 views; proposing coding for new law in Minnesota
1.5 Statutes, chapter 120B.
1.6 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:
1.7 Section 1. [120B.025] [SCIENCE CURRICULUM.]
1.8 Notwithstanding any rule or law to the contrary, when
1.9 science academic standards are taught that may generate
1.10 controversy, including biological evolution, the curriculum must
1.11 help students to understand the full range of scientific views
1.12 that exist, why such topics may generate controversy, and how
1.13 scientific discoveries can profoundly affect society. A quality
1.14 science education should prepare students to distinguish the
1.15 data and testable theories of science from religious or
1.16 philosophical claims that are made in the name of science."

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=S1714.0&session=ls83

It reinforces what this website said, although their purpose was to criticize her; that is was an attempt at allowing schools to teach intelligent design. It doesn't seem to be an attempt to force teaching of intelligent design. Do you read it differently? If so can you point out the language that supports your interpretation? Maybe I'm just reading it wrong.
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Michele Bachmann wants to put “Intelligent Design Theory” on the Minnesota public school science curriculum. 1

“Intelligent Design Theory” is creationism. 2 “Intelligent Design Theory” (ID) is a theory which asserts that life began as the result of an act of creation by a super-human intelligent designer. Most supporters of ID are people who believe that the Bible’s account of creation in Genesis is a literal and historical fact. There is no support for Intelligent Design theory in any respected peer-reviewed scientific journal. 3

Bachmann introduced a bill into the Minnesota Senate that would require public schools to permit teaching of intelligent design creationism in the school science curriculum. 4"
the remainder of the article can be found at: http://www.thebachmannrecord.com/thebachmannrecoc.html
iVillage Member
Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 4:29pm

I tried to find information on this bill that she supported.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 4:31pm
Why?
iVillage Member
Registered: 05-03-2011
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 4:51pm
That bill specifically was an attempt to slip intelligent design into the curriculum, specifically: "when science academic standards are taught that may generate controversy, including biological evolution, the curriculum must help students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist, why such topics may generate controversy, and how scientific discoveries can profoundly affect society." The only controversy with "biological evolution" are from the people who don't believe in biological evolution.

I also liked what this young man had to say: http://www.repealcreationism.com/
iVillage Member
Registered: 05-03-2011
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 4:53pm
Because intelligent design absolutely does not belong in a science classroom. Any candidate who is that religious that they need to force their beliefs as fact on the school system in the form of mandates teaching such ridiculousness are scary and shouldn't be in office.
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Registered: 02-28-2008
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 5:47pm

She debated and joined the race? so like you can do that? I mean who would have thunk ity? she debated in a debate that was intended for those who wanted to run for president? No! the hell you say?

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 6:53pm
And the only controversy with "intelligent design" are those that don't believe in intelligent design. : )
Did the bill force intelligent design be added to the classroom?
No, it didn't. It allowed those districts that wanted to teach it support to do so with the above quotation you just gave.

I really don't have a big bias either way to teaching intelligent design. Evolution is a theory and intelligent design is a theory. It would make for an interesting discussion/debate in the classroom, which could really spark learning. So from that perspective, I don't understand the concern over adding it to the curriculum, especially if it's not forced. Let the teacher add it how they like.
One of my kids had a teacher that discussed it in their class. He gave all the reason's why it was false. The kids really enjoyed their discussions and for my very not so good at science student, it helped engage her in the class as a whole.
Isn't that what science is about; exploration?
iVillage Member
Registered: 05-03-2011
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 6:59pm
Evolution is a scientific theory. Intelligent design is not and therefore has no place in any public school science classroom. There's a difference between scientific theory (fact) and the other kind of theory (speculation).
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 06-15-2011 - 10:16pm
So your pretty much set on your opinion on intelligent design and it seems to be a deal breaker for you. Do you think that whether or not a candidate is in favor of offering intelligent design as part of a school curriculum is a deal breaker for the presidency?
I can't remember if you spoke to this as well but I'll ask in case; does this also include a position on gay marriage. Even if the candidate would not interfere with a state voting to approve gay marriage if that candidate was against it their belief system would be too much to handle to accept them as a president?
What about any other issues? I've asked a couple of times and so far it seems the only objections to Bachmann's positions are gay marriage- which she is against but wouldn't interfere with a states right to allow it, and allowing, not forcing, the teaching of intelligent design in schools.

Is that really the only issues people have? If so, I might need to continue to look into her candidacy. To be honest, a few days ago I would have said she isn't electable as president, I might need to rethink this based on the responses on this board.

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