Most Americans believe...

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Most Americans believe...
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Tue, 10-18-2011 - 8:37am

Do you think this is true? Do most Americans believe in these things? Do you? Which ones?

A large majority of the American people consistently support the following agenda:

  • Tax the rich and corporations
  • End the wars, bring the troops home, cut military spending
  • Protect the social safety net, strengthen Social Security and improved Medicare for all
  • End corporate welfare for oil companies and other big business interests
  • Transition to a clean energy economy, reverse environmental degradation
  • Protect worker rights including collective bargaining, create jobs and raise wages
  • Get money out of politics

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Fri, 10-28-2011 - 1:14pm
gal_callie wrote:

What about those of us who show up and work our rear ends off only to see our benefits/raises being slashed while the company makes record profits? I think most employed people actually "work" at their job and don't "just show up" and think they deserve a living wage. Unfortunately the amount of a living wage would go up substantially if I had to buy my own health insurance...

I think there needs to be an understanding of what is meant by a "living wage" vs.. the actual market value of the job. We have a market economy, so that is how wages are determined, in theory.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Fri, 10-28-2011 - 1:19pm

when you say you want to be paid a "living wage", you are asking for a higher wage than the job is worth.

Seriously? You think the term "living wage" means being paid more than the job is worth. That's sad. In essense, are you saying that there are people out there who are so pathetic that they can not do a job that merits their own survival?That's what it sounds like. Wow.

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Registered: 09-08-2008
Fri, 10-28-2011 - 3:32pm

As I understand it, when you say you want to be paid a "living wage", you are asking for a higher wage than the job is worth.

Not sure why you think a living wage would mean you are asking for a higher wage than the job is worth.

If the employer doesn't pay for healthcare anymore, it doesn't change the market value of the job, just the way in which it will be compensated.


As long as employee is compensated to make up for the amount the employer is paying toward health insurance, I agree with you. It would not make much difference if I pay the insurance premium or the employer in that case.

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Sat, 10-29-2011 - 12:50am
nisupulla wrote:

when you say you want to be paid a "living wage", you are asking for a higher wage than the job is worth.

Seriously? You think the term "living wage" means being paid more than the job is worth. That's sad. In essense, are

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Sat, 10-29-2011 - 7:25am

I assure you, I did not agree with what you wrote. Perhaps you have liberally interpreted my post? :)

I do not think that "living wage" and "being paid more than the job is worth" are interchangeable terms.

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Registered: 01-22-2000
Sat, 10-29-2011 - 7:04pm
nisupulla wrote:

when you say you want to be paid a "living wage", you are asking for a higher wage than the job is worth.

Seriously? You think the term "living wage" means being paid more than the job is worth. That's sad. In essense, are you saying that there are people out there who are so pathetic that they can not do a job that merits their own survival?That's what it sounds like. Wow.


Wow, indeed. You are twisting what he said. You are creating an issue to be something beyond what he said, and then seeking to demean his position, by exposing the severity of a position that you made up and he never held.

Its sorta like a President saying repubicans want dirty air, dirty water and less people with health insurance.

Sonny

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Sun, 10-30-2011 - 8:37am

If you are correct, Sonny, then how would you rephrase?

Personally, I believe that employers would hire people for free if it were legal. The idea that people get paid what they are worth seems preposterous to me. So forgive me for my impertinence.

What other way can you interpret "living wage" being "paid more than you are worth", other than some people do worthless work and do not deserve to be paid enough to subsist on?

No matter how generous I try to be equating living wage to over pay is offense and flat out wrong. Could you try to explain in some kind of reasoned terms?

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Registered: 07-15-2010
Sun, 10-30-2011 - 10:02pm

Very well said!

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<
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Registered: 07-15-2010
Sun, 10-30-2011 - 10:12pm
Why should they? At what cost? They are not obligated to to do either and nor is anyone obligated to work for them if they don't want to. Now if they want to attract quality employees then it would likely be in their best interest to do so--maybe not. Maybe they don't require quality employees to remain profitable. The point is that it' s their company to run as they see fit. They will either be successful, or not. Obligated to pay for healthcare? You don't need healthcare to live but you sure do need food. Maybe they should be obligated to pay for their employees food. Oh wait--they pay them for their work so they can buy their own food....hmmm.
>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<
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Registered: 07-15-2010
Sun, 10-30-2011 - 10:15pm

This comes from the same people who constantly complain about jobs going overseas, as they make demands that force employers to send jobs overseas.

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<

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