Most Americans believe...

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Most Americans believe...
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Tue, 10-18-2011 - 8:37am

Do you think this is true? Do most Americans believe in these things? Do you? Which ones?

A large majority of the American people consistently support the following agenda:

  • Tax the rich and corporations
  • End the wars, bring the troops home, cut military spending
  • Protect the social safety net, strengthen Social Security and improved Medicare for all
  • End corporate welfare for oil companies and other big business interests
  • Transition to a clean energy economy, reverse environmental degradation
  • Protect worker rights including collective bargaining, create jobs and raise wages
  • Get money out of politics

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iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Mon, 11-14-2011 - 1:58pm

Hypothetically, if jobs are compensated at market value, then why are some people paid less to do the same work?

The "market" varies from place to place and time to time...but it would be rare to find people of equal experience, working in the same area, being paid significantly different wages for similar work.

Yes, I agree. The market is severe. That's why I think there should be some regulation. Do you trust the free market enough to allow people to starve or freeze to death? It sounds like you do.

We don't have people starving or freezing to death because of the free market.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 11:47pm

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Tue, 11-15-2011 - 11:58pm

employers base wages on the market

That makes not sense to me. Employer would pay employees nothing at all, if it were legal.

your basing modern conduct on a single incident in ancient history

I hardly think that an event in 1911 is "ancient" history.

Additonally, while the event was notorious, the working conditions in New York at the time were generally unacceptable and inhumane. Most of the companies similar to Triangle had recenlyt improved working conditions shortly before the fire occured. That is to say nothing about events outside New York City in 1911.

it's unfair to paint all employers with such a broad brush

I do not paint all employers with a broad brush. Not all banks needed the "bail out". Some were more responsible. However, without good laws. some people and corporations will place profit over human life and events such as the Triangle Fire and the bail out WILL happen - again. To pretend otherwise is equivalent to turning a blind eye.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 12:56pm
Equal Pay Day

April 17, 2012

I didn't know that there is an "equal pay day". I wonder if I will remember in April? About Equal Pay Day

Equal Pay Day is held annually in April to signify the point into a year that a woman must work to earn what a man made the previous year.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-02-2009
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 3:55pm

From looking at the link, it looks like this is not a comparison of women being paid less to do the same job, it is just a raw figure of women earning less than men, not necesarrily from any type of discrimination.

I've worked in offices where most of the admin staff were women and most of the management staff were men. There was a big earnings gap, but only because people were doing different jobs.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 4:49pm

I've worked in offices where most of the admin staff were women and most of the management staff were men. There was a big earnings gap, but only because people were doing different jobs.

Um.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:25pm

it would be rare to find people of equal experience, working in the same area, being paid significantly different wages for similar work.

To quote Barnie Frank, "May I ask, on what planet do you live?" Women and minorities are often paid significantly less for doing similar work, in the same area, with equal experience.

All things are not necessarily equal...

In attempting to explain the discrepancies in pay between men and women, the GAO concluded:

  • Women in the workforce are also less likely to work a full-time schedule and are more likely to leave the labor force for longer periods of time than men, further suppressing women's wages. These differing work patterns lead to an even larger earnings gap between men and women - suggesting that working women are penalized for their dual roles as wage earners and those who disproportionately care for home and family.
  • Men with children appear to get an earnings boost, whereas women lose earnings. Men with children earn about 2% more on average than men without children, according to the GAO findings, whereas women with children earn about 2.5% less than women without children.
  • Women have fewer years of work experience.
  • http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/womenspay.htm

We don't have people starving or freezing to death because of the free market.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 8:40pm

employers base wages on the market

That makes not sense to me. Employer would pay employees nothing at all, if it were legal.

Of course, but no one would work for them.


your basing modern conduct on a single incident in ancient history

I hardly think that an event in 1911 is "ancient" history.

Compared with the legal changes made in the intervening years, yes, 1911 is ancient history.


Additonally, while the event was notorious, the working conditions in New York at the time were generally unacceptable and inhumane. Most of the companies similar to Triangle had recenlyt improved working conditions shortly before the fire occured. That is to say nothing about events outside New York City in 1911.

Working conditions in New York at the time were, for the most part, good.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 9:35pm

Obviously there should be some basic regulations that curtail bad behavior,

Obviously? I thought the conservatives were all about ridding the world of regulations because the "free market" works better alone than corrupted by regulations. Liberals are the ones who thinkg that regulations are necessary to [among other things] curtail bad behavior.

A good many though, are victims of liberal social engineering policies.

Not corporate greed? You blame "social engineering"? Hmm. Could you clarify the policies that you are referring to? I think Alan Greenspan would disagree with you.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Wed, 11-16-2011 - 9:38pm

Hence the many regulations we have to stop bad behavior and create a safe work environment.

No wait. I'm the one arguing that regulations are good and necessary to create decent work environments. When did you switch camps?

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