Most Americans believe...

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Most Americans believe...
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Tue, 10-18-2011 - 8:37am

Do you think this is true? Do most Americans believe in these things? Do you? Which ones?

A large majority of the American people consistently support the following agenda:

  • Tax the rich and corporations
  • End the wars, bring the troops home, cut military spending
  • Protect the social safety net, strengthen Social Security and improved Medicare for all
  • End corporate welfare for oil companies and other big business interests
  • Transition to a clean energy economy, reverse environmental degradation
  • Protect worker rights including collective bargaining, create jobs and raise wages
  • Get money out of politics

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iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Fri, 11-18-2011 - 6:45pm

Women don't work on road crews in all states? They do here.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 7:22am

but feel free to prove your accusation by pasting the quote from my post.

OK

they compared men and women THEY felt could reasonably be compared based on criteria THEY felt was germane, and not necessarily on criteria that employers felt was important.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 7:23am

And the study went to employers and asked them specifically, why they are paying woman-manager X and man-manager Y?

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 7:10pm

OK...they compared men and women THEY felt could reasonably be compared based on criteria THEY felt was germane, and not necessarily on criteria that employers felt was important.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 7:12pm

And the study went to employers and asked them specifically, why they are paying woman-manager X and man-manager Y?

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 8:17pm

If you read what I wrote, you can clearly see that I was challenging the validity of the study's conclusions based on the criteria and methodology the researchers used...and nowhere did I employ stereotypes of any kind.

Well, except the bit where you said that the researchers used should have measured talent, competence, ambition, etc.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 8:24pm

Ah, I see that you didn't follow what I said. What I said was that the study measured the salaries of men vs the salaries of women. As much as they possibly could they controlled for variables such as time off for family responsibilities, different pay for different jobs, etc. When all of that was taken into account, whether they knew it or not, employers (on the whole) pay men more than they pay women.

In essense they did say 1) What did you pay the men and 2) What did you pay the women? The study found that the overall number for women was less.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 10:42pm

If you read what I wrote, you can clearly see that I was challenging the validity of the study's conclusions based on the criteria and methodology the researchers used...and nowhere did I employ stereotypes of any kind.

Well, except the bit where you said that the researchers used should have measured talent, competence, ambition, etc.

Wow, you're right..."talent, competence, ambition, etc" is a stereotype...um...of who, again? ; )

IYO, since they allegedly did not take talent, etc into account their conclusion that men get paid more because they are men is wrong. If they had taken into account talent, etc then they would have reached a different conclusion, ie that men get paid more because they have more talent, etc. not just because they are men. Therefore you believe that women have less talent, etc. That is the stereotype you developed That's what you said, remember?

Wow...you can keep pounding that square peg into that round hole but no matter how hard you try, it ain't gonna fit.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2011
Sat, 11-19-2011 - 11:49pm

Ah, I see that you didn't follow what I said. What I said was that the study measured the salaries of men vs the salaries of women. As much as they possibly could they controlled for variables such as time off for family responsibilities, different pay for different jobs, etc. When all of that was taken into account, whether they knew it or not, employers (on the whole) pay men more than they pay women.

In essense they did say 1) What did you pay the men and 2) What did you pay the women? The study found that the overall number for women was less.

Right, "in essence" what we have is a ridiculously flawed study that came to flawed conclusions without ever actually interviewing any employers.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2006
Mon, 11-21-2011 - 3:31pm
I worked for a place where the personnel person for the entry level technical track jobs refused to hire women. I got one of the jobs that was available to women (administrative) and my boss used to brag how much better I was at computer programming type/database administration than the people who were actually hired for that stuff. He tried to get me reclassified so that I would be paid for the IT work I was actually doing, but that would have been a waste of taxpayer money, to pay an IT to salary to a woman for IT work; who would do that when she had shown that she would do the work on a secretarial salary? So no.

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