Not a Presidential Election Issue but...

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Not a Presidential Election Issue but...
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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 1:01pm

South Carolina - Candidate: No single, pregnant teachers in classroom- http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/06/south.carolina.ap/index.html


So what do you think about this??


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 1:15pm

Teachers are an extention of parents.

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Registered: 11-20-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 1:45pm
Oh please ---

Do I personally agree with choosing parenthood without 2 strong parents? No - it's tough enough to raise a kid under ideal circumstances. However, this is just typical grandstanding to their base. The man obviously was elected by a more intensely conservative constituency and wants to get out the vote by election day - he's a politician - that's what he does.

It is neither legal nor proper to suggest either of the moves he made. Legally, there is no chance whatsoever that state or local governments can restrict hiring based on lifestyle choices - and thank God I live in a country where that is true. An example of countries where that is not true are Iran, Saudi Arabia, some aspects of China, etc. Beyond the legalities, how weak are the children these people are raising? Are they such incompetent parents that, when presented with choices, their kids cannot possibly pick the right one? Are we really looking to raise our kids in environments where there are NEVER moral choices encountered and no opportunity for assessing right or wrong? Sure, I can closet my kid as long as possible, expose him ONLY to an entire universe with which I agree completely, but what have I accomplished? My job as a parent is to raise a child with an eye towards making him an independent, responsible, contributing member of society. If I cripple his exposure to all aspects of the world, he will be incapable of making a decision once he's on his own.

Do I care if my kid's teacher is gay - not at all. First, kids are inherently narcissistic - other than the obligatory Miss versus Mrs titles when we grew up, did you really know anything about your teachers' personal lives - or care? Second, I am way more interested in whether the teacher is properly educated in the subject, has received on-going education in teaching techniques, has fully funded classroom supplies and textbooks, versus spending out of pocket, and - if I am lucky enough that they are that good - is being paid enough and not spending too much on healthcare to instead leave teaching and join the private sector. If people would spend a little more time figuring out HOW we're going to fund those items (especially with a tax cut and an escalating war cost that impacts the local government coffers), we'd be a lot further on the road to decent education for our kids.

Of course, that won't happen - but I am sure that somewhere, some reactionary person who follows along like sheep is sleeping more soundly, believing that their congressman is now protecting them from those gays and loose women.

Whew -- glad to meet you all - how's that for my first post?

Wende

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Lilypie Baby Days
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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:04pm

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:16pm

Nah, they are there to teach my kid about school work.

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:20pm

Do you honestly think a child, heck...even a teen is going to rush out and get pregant because their teacher did?

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:21pm
" parent's job is tough enough without having to combat mixed messages from someone who is suppose to be a role model."

Yes, well, *I* am my daughter's greatest role model and *I* am a single, never been married, mom. Hmm. Her NEXT role model, my roommate, is a lesbian about to adopt a child. Then there's her gay uncle, oh, and her father, a recovering alcoholic. Now my Mother was happily married for 45 years and my other brother is married and has 3 kids so I guess *they* must be okay.

Oddly enough, what my child seems to have learned is compassion, warmth, loyalty, spirituality, a strong sense of family, wit, joy and a pretty keen grasp of the absurd (as in, this senator's claim).

Now, her lesbian Kindergarten teacher DD really bonded with but the young, married, and currently pregnant first grade teacher was not a good fit. She loves her second grade teacher but I just haven't gotten around to asking who she sleeps with yet. I skipped that whole part of the parent/teacher conference because I figured it was none of my business. Go figure.

My personal criteria for a teacher is that s/he must care about the kids, must recognize that every child is different, must enjoy teaching and be able to communicate that passion for learning, and must have a healthy creative bent. Their personal life is just that...personal.

KJ

ps. But, keep in mind, I watched the debate and saw an even match up so I must be 'dumb'

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:35pm
well what about single men who are fathers-to be?

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:40pm
That's okay because it doesn't show AND they had sex with women. It's all in the details.

KJ

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Registered: 11-20-2003
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 2:41pm
If you would not put your child in the care of someone who did not share your moral value system, thank goodness you live in a country where you have the resources and freedom to school your kids at home (the ONLY way to ensure that their teachers always share your value system). Alternately, you can choose private schools built around a specific moral framework, but that is still no guarantee that your kid won't have a teacher that believes differently than you do.

What I have trouble with is the assumption that (1) the rest of the parents in the PUBLIC school system want to share the exact same value system (2) that I am in any way expecting my public school teacher to be teaching morals to my kid and (3)that somehow the lifestyle of the teacher outside of school can or should ever be a topic in his or her classroom. Again, unless a teacher was called Mrs versus Miss, most kids won't even know if she's married. If a teacher is gay, and chooses to teach in such a conservative district that they have families trying to BAN them for goodness sake, trust me, they're not flaunting their lifestyle to your kids - they're quietly educating their students while searching each night on the web for a job in a district set in the 21st century (or at leat the 20th).

As for the suggestion of histrionics, I question that term. As histrionics refers to the use of emotional displays for effect, and as I specifically suggested that non-emotional criteria (such as proper education, sufficient on-going teacher training, and adequate classroom funding) were a more reasonable assessment of teacher suitability than subjective moral assessments, let's be real. Did I use a moderately extreme example to make my point (i.e., a parent that only wants their child to be exposed to teachers that share their moral stance on all issues) - yes I did. But you just said that this was EXACTLY what you wanted, so it is not really an extreme example for effect - it is the reality you quoted.

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Lilypie Baby Days
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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 3:14pm

>>If you would not put your child in the care of someone who did not share your moral value system, thank goodness you live in a country where you have the resources and freedom to school your kids at home (the ONLY way to ensure that their teachers always share your value system). Alternately, you can choose private schools built around a specific moral framework, but that is still no guarantee that your kid won't have a teacher that believes differently than you do.<<


Would you intentially put your young influential child in the care of someone who did not share your basic values?

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