Obama and ACORN

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Tue, 10-07-2008 - 6:54pm




Obama and ACORN: You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide






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Registered: 04-09-2007
In reply to: carolitt
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 8:17pm

What did you like about Fred Thompson?

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Registered: 09-09-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 10:06pm

"The Keating Five scandal from 1989 implicated five senators in another corruption probe. Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Donald Riegle of Michigan, John Glenn of Ohio and Alan Cranston of California, and Republican John McCain of Arizona, were accused of strong-arming federal officials to back off their investigation of Charles Keating, former chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan association. In exchange, the senators reportedly received close to $1.3 million in campaign contributions.

The Senate Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn and McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal and dropped the charges against them. In August 1991, the committee ruled that the other three senators had acted improperly in interfering with the Federal Home Loan Banking Board's investigation.

DeConcini and Riegle did not run for re-election in 1994 and were succeeded by Republican Sens. John Kyl and Spencer Abraham."

The video you posted was obviously slanted. I've seen a tv special about this, can't remember which channel it was on. It was told by the independent council. McCain did nothing wrong. He refused to go to the meeting at first but then did go and said he did not want any favors for Keating just wanted to make sure Keating was treated fairly, the same way any of his other constituents would be treated.

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Registered: 08-02-2003
In reply to: carolitt
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 10:51pm
This info usually does come up "slanted" here =)
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Registered: 10-07-2003
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 4:08am

You don't need to give me the benefit of the doubt.

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Registered: 09-15-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 4:16am
i know you werent talking to me, but when some people see dark skin and hear the barrak huessin obama, they think middle eastern terrorist
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Registered: 10-26-2003
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 4:18am

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absolutely it's slanted. i never said it wasn't. it's slanted just like every discussion on this board that links Obama to Ayers. just like the Newsmax article that started this whole thread.

but as long as posters are persistent in pursing guilt by association, i want to make sure it is applied fairly so i provided the other POV on the Keating scandal.

<> actually that is not what they concluded. the Ethics Committee said he used "improper judgement" and he admitted to that himself.

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Registered: 04-09-2007
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 5:02am

It's not usually an intellectual argument; it's typically an emotional one. An emotional argument will rarely be swayed by an intellectual response. There was another thread about "why does it matter if he was a Muslim?" and I made my perspective clear.

Obama has denounced Ayers acts and beliefs. He disagreed with his church when they made Farrakhan man of the year. He gave an eloquent speech on race and said he flat out didn't agree with the more divisive language his reverend used. AND STILL:

There was a post the other day that asserted that Obama was a muslim until 3 years ago.

Ayers is the topic of the week as Obama "pals around with terrorists".

There was a pretty offensive post about his race a few days back, rolling to the terrorist argument.

Reverend Wright is still a topic of discussion, not only with his speeches but his association with Farrakhan. People have essentially Obama's stated position.

I have seen too many viral emails, blogs, letters to the editor, etc where it DOES come down to race. When someone's only stated reason for voting for McCain is that Obama knows a terrorist and they think the candidate has a secret agenda, I do wonder, based on so much crap that I've read, if this more of the same.

My argument to the poster was certainly not that anything they said was racist. It was that minds won't change if the only argument against the man is that, despite everything he says, even if he said it consistently, you "just don't trust him". But also, there have been too many "I don't believe he's a Christian", or "I don't believe he doesn't believe the same things as his minister", or some other terrible stuff, for some not to see a pattern and wonder whether the concerns relate to race or ethnicity. It all gets lumped together post after post.

I would much rather be voting Republican this year, and there is a lot on which I disagree with Obama. With both Ayers and Wright, it appears that he gained from them politically, and one could easily argue that he often associated with people who didn't share his views if it was good for his career, but rejecting his condemnation of their acts and/or deeds, and even projecting those views onto him, seems a bit of a stretch. It also appears that Obama doesn't fundamentally believe that a person possessing a differing view of the world other than Obama's own has no worth. He can still learn from them, still be inspired by the good that they contribute, while disagreeing with or even condemning other actions. This occurs at my work all the time, where business philosophies collide, one side "wins", but everyone still comes to work the next day and is able to move on toward a common goal. Not everyone sees life as simply as "choose a side".

But post after post and speech after speech of the same crap is too much to ignore. There are people - obviously not yourself - who play the race card. This is not just a one-sided "don't criticize my tax policy or you're a racist" race card. I can usually ignore it, but after what I heard this week, it needed to be said, and I'm not sorry I said it.

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Registered: 08-25-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 7:07am

I believe the issue is the dissonance between words and actions.


When you look at Obama's record, it is an exceptionally left-wing one.

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Registered: 09-09-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 9:54am

You forget that McCain had a ninety minute press conference where he answered all questions about Keating truthfully. Your buddy Obama said Ayers was a guy in his neighborhood, a blatant lie. He says he never realized Wright said the things he said, another blatant lie.

McCain did nothing wrong, he was the republican the ethics committee needed so that it wasn't all democrats that they called before them. The independent council said McCain should not be brought before the ethics committee, they did it anyway. It was the first time ever that the ethics committee did not listen to the independent council. McCain doesn't have a pattern of surrounding himself with radicals, big difference.

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Registered: 03-09-2007
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 10:00am

McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981, and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating. Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona. Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates. In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln. In 1989 Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick opined that McCain was the "most reprehensible" of the five senators.[42


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