I wanted to say something about the AIP and Ayers. I'll try say it free from sarcasm but I really can't make any promises. It's like asking me to type with my right arm tied behind my back.;)
The AIP was founded by Vogler 30 years ago. While I don't like the things he said about America I understand he was angry about the original vote which made Alaska a state. I don't know if the vote was corrupt or not as Vogler said, I wasn't there. Understanding that he felt it was I can understand his anger. As a result of his anger he began to peacefully go about trying to get a fair vote. He started a political party which is now the third largest political party in Alaska. He did not go around bombing things to bring about change. I can understand that Alaskans love their state. I like my state but don't feel that deep passion and love for my state that Alaskans do. I imagine that if I'm ever lucky enough to spend a significant amount of time in Alaska, as I'd like to, I will quickly come to feel that same love for Alaska that Alaskans already feel.
The following is taken from the AIP website: "The platform of the AIP is, as one would expect, centered on Alaskan issues. Although it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state. A plebiscite was, in fact, held in Alaska at the state's inception in 1958, but AIP members argue that voting was corrupt and that residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation -- something they say has been granted to other U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico."
While the AIP is about much more than the fair vote they desire, it centers around a love of Alaska. I don't find anything evil or wrong about that.
Again, Vogler died in 1993 years before Todd Palin was a member of the AIP and even longer before Sarah Palin addressed the AIP convention as governor of Alaska. She spoke for less than a minute and a half.
The following is from the AIP website: "Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.
We had several hundred people attend that convention and nothing of noteworthy status took place outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska."
Ayers was also angry about an issue. He also tried to bring about change. He chose violence and founded the Weathermen Underground in 1969. They began bombing and people did die as a result. Here's a quote from Ayers (you've already posted quotes from Vogler so I didn't repeat them) "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at." In 1976 the Weathermen Underground collapsed.
In 2001 Ayers did an interview in which he said, ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' There is a picture taken in 2001 where the US flag is lying on the ground and Bill Ayers is standing on it. Ayers bombings occurred in the 70's but his comments and the picture from 2001 are evidence that he hasn't changed his views.
<< Here's a quote from Ayers (you've already posted quotes from Vogler so I didn't repeat them) "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at." In 1976 the Weathermen Underground collapsed.>>
Haven't you condemned Obama for taking money from Rezko? Obama didn't go to the Bahamas with Rezko. You claim to be so concerned about the associations that Obama has but write off McCain's associations as if they mean nothing. The S&L scandal led to the failure of an industry that cost tax payers big time and McCain was closely tied to the guy orchestrating it. I'm glad McCain has been honest about it but it doesn't change that he showed seriously poor judgment. It sounds extremely hypocritical if you cannot, at a minimum, acknowledge that both have been flawed in some of their choices.
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I wanted to say something about the AIP and Ayers. I'll try say it free from sarcasm but I really can't make any promises. It's like asking me to type with my right arm tied behind my back.;)
The AIP was founded by Vogler 30 years ago. While I don't like the things he said about America I understand he was angry about the original vote which made Alaska a state. I don't know if the vote was corrupt or not as Vogler said, I wasn't there. Understanding that he felt it was I can understand his anger. As a result of his anger he began to peacefully go about trying to get a fair vote. He started a political party which is now the third largest political party in Alaska. He did not go around bombing things to bring about change. I can understand that Alaskans love their state. I like my state but don't feel that deep passion and love for my state that Alaskans do. I imagine that if I'm ever lucky enough to spend a significant amount of time in Alaska, as I'd like to, I will quickly come to feel that same love for Alaska that Alaskans already feel.
The following is taken from the AIP website:
"The platform of the AIP is, as one would expect, centered on Alaskan issues. Although it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state. A plebiscite was, in fact, held in Alaska at the state's inception in 1958, but AIP members argue that voting was corrupt and that residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation -- something they say has been granted to other U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico."
http://www.akip.org/platform.html
While the AIP is about much more than the fair vote they desire, it centers around a love of Alaska. I don't find anything evil or wrong about that.
Again, Vogler died in 1993 years before Todd Palin was a member of the AIP and even longer before Sarah Palin addressed the AIP convention as governor of Alaska. She spoke for less than a minute and a half.
The following is from the AIP website:
"Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.
We had several hundred people attend that convention and nothing of noteworthy status took place outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska."
Ayers was also angry about an issue. He also tried to bring about change. He chose violence and founded the Weathermen Underground in 1969. They began bombing and people did die as a result. Here's a quote from Ayers (you've already posted quotes from Vogler so I didn't repeat them) "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at." In 1976 the Weathermen Underground collapsed.
In 2001 Ayers did an interview in which he said, ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' There is a picture taken in 2001 where the US flag is lying on the ground and Bill Ayers is standing on it. Ayers bombings occurred in the 70's but his comments and the picture from 2001 are evidence that he hasn't changed his views.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
I will only say one more thing, Ayers is not Obama's only questionable friendship/relationship, there is also Rev. Wright, Rezko.
Everyone can decide for themselves.
I think I did a pretty good job of avoiding sarcasm even if I do say so myself.
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<< Here's a quote from Ayers (you've already posted quotes from Vogler so I didn't repeat them) "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at." In 1976 the Weathermen Underground collapsed.>>
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People did die as a result of weathermen bombs.
That was a direct quote from Ayers at the time.
Maybe you need to do some research.
actually will, I have to side with mom here... (don't faint mom...)
amazingly, no one was killed by Weather Underground bombs, except a couple of bomb-makers who blew themselves up through stupidity.
On the other hand, they did shoot down some cops during bank robberies.
Edited 10/9/2008 5:56 pm ET by absintheofmalice
"wikipedia isn't a reliable source."
Ugh, neither are biased op-eds by Stanley Kurtz. And, if you read her post she quoted more than one source - Chicago Sun Times, etc.
"I believe this article sheds some light on Mr Kurtz's misguided attempt to smear Sen Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/stanley-kurtz-and-the-ant_b_122155.html
I do not think a conservative writer is any more a reliable source than wikipedia."
I totally agree!!!
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