Obama and ACORN

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Obama and ACORN: You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide






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Registered: 09-09-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 8:13pm

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There is a big difference between associating with someone who holds a different political view or is of a different religion from you. The issue here is associating with a person who is a terrorist who said just a few years ago that he didn't do enough bombing and he would do it again. That is not a past life from a different era, that's a terrorist who still holds his terrorist views. Obama has shown a pattern of poor judgement and lack of character by who he associates with, Ayers, Wright, Rezko and Acorn.

I don't consider it speculation when Ayers admits he said that horrible thing. I don't have a single friend who says things like that. I don't have a single friend who has set bombs. It's just one of many reasons I don't think Obama should be president.

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Registered: 09-08-2006
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 8:40pm

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He didn't say he didn't do enough bombing but keep saying it and after the 20th time you may believe it.

 

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Registered: 10-26-2003
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 8:43pm

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thank you thank you for that insight!!

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Registered: 08-25-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 10:30pm
And HufPo is certainly less reliable than the WSJ
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Registered: 08-25-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 10:31pm
I consider them Darwin Award winners.
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Registered: 08-25-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Thu, 10-09-2008 - 10:32pm

No, but...


a) he was a founder of the organization that did


b) his wife was directly involved

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Registered: 09-15-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 10:21pm

sorry it has taken me so long to reply, i havent had a lot of spare time recently.


<of course you are entitled to your opinion, but just because you think he is a terrorist today, does not mean that he is one. if the govt had any any evidence of this i am sure they would have him locked up. so, it is your word against govt intelligence. You can forgive a terrorist but can't forgive a much less serious mistake McCain made 20 years ago. Hhhmmm. i dont feel as though it is my place it to forgive either, i wasnt affected by their choices. but the choice you present is interesting. i can for give ayers, or mccain. what about obama? isnt he the one were are concerned with? and imo, the "seriousness" of the crimes are relative. id rather associate with a destructive protestor of an immoral war than a corrupt greedy criminal


McCain made the mistake of having a relationship 20 years ago with a guy who turned out to be a crook which McCain wasn't aware of at the time. McCain has said he made a mistake, has been honest about what happened and again did nothing wrong in the meetings Keating asked him to attend. McCain hasn't been associated with Keating in twenty years. Obama is currently associated with an unremorseful terrorist and lied about it. once again, he is not a terrorist just because you say he is. and i havent seen proof that obama lied posted yet (i am REALLY behind in threads though). even if he did lie about, honestly, i wouldnt blame him. i dont agree with lying, but if obama admitted that he and ayers are close, i cant imagine the irrational fear and outrage that would ensue.


To me McCain's long ago association is no biggie. Obama's current relationships (plural) and dishonesty are a biggie.>>mccain's current associations worry me... sarah palin, big oil, freddie and fannie lobbyist...

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Registered: 09-15-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 10:43pm

I wanted to say something about the AIP and Ayers. I'll try say it free from sarcasm but I really can't make any promises. It's like asking me to type with my right arm tied behind my back.;) lol! i feel exactly the same way!


The AIP was founded by Vogler 30 years ago. While I don't like the things he said about America I understand he was angry about the original vote which made Alaska a state. I don't know if the vote was corrupt or not as Vogler said, I wasn't there. Understanding that he felt it was I can understand his anger. isnt what he said similar to what rev. wright has said, or ayers? they were angry and upest as well. As a result of his anger he began to peacefully go about trying to get a fair vote. He started a political party which is now the third largest political party in Alaska. He did not go around bombing things to bring about change. I can understand that Alaskans love their state. I like my state but don't feel that deep passion and love for my state that Alaskans do. I imagine that if I'm ever lucky enough to spend a significant amount of time in Alaska, as I'd like to, I will quickly come to feel that same love for Alaska that Alaskans already feel.


The following is taken from the AIP website:
"The platform of the AIP is, as one would expect, centered on Alaskan issues. Although it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state. A plebiscite was, in fact, held in Alaska at the state's inception in 1958, but AIP members argue that voting was corrupt and that residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation -- something they say has been granted to other U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico."


http://www.akip.org/platform.html


While the AIP is about much more than the fair vote they desire, it centers around a love of Alaska. I don't find anything evil or wrong about that. i dont find anything wrong with the aip either, i imagined id be ticked if i was robbed of the vote as well


Again, Vogler died in 1993 years before Todd Palin was a member of the AIP and even longer before Sarah Palin addressed the AIP convention as governor of Alaska. She spoke for less than a minute and a half.


The following is from the AIP website:
"Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.


We had several hundred people attend that convention and nothing of noteworthy status took place outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska."


Ayers was also angry about an issue. He also tried to bring about change. He chose violence and founded the Weathermen Underground in 1969. They began bombing and people did die as a result. Here's a quote from Ayers (you've already posted quotes from Vogler so I didn't repeat them) "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at." In 1976 the Weathermen Underground collapsed.the fact that s.palin spoke doesnt bother me, i wouldnt read anything into it. but the fact that t. palin was part of a group that was founded by someone who loved alaska, but also hated the US. i highly doubt that vogler was the only one of the group/party who had that sentiment. so i dont think it is far fetched to wonder if t. palin associated with some american haters.


In 2001 Ayers did an interview in which he said, ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' There is a picture taken in 2001 where the US flag is lying on the ground and Bill Ayers is standing on it. Ayers bombings occurred in the 70's but his comments and the picture from 2001 are evidence that he hasn't changed his views. what makes someone a terrorist? their thoughts or their actions?


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=djemEditorialPage


I will only say one more thing, Ayers is not Obama's only questionable friendship/relationship, there is also Rev. Wright, Rezko. i commented on this in an other thread, but i will risk being redundant b/c i know eveyone doesnt ready every single post. in regards to rev. wright... obama was fairly old (probably 22ish) when he met wright. he was also doing community organizing at the time, so that says to me that much of obama's opinions about our country were established. also, we can have mentors who we dont agree with 100% on every issue. as for rezko, obama admitted he made a mistake with that one, much like mccain did for keating 5. imo, they cancel each other out. for everyone of these 3 "negative" associations, i'm sure theres a hundred positive ones


Everyone can decide for themselves.


I think I did a pretty good job of avoiding sarcasm even if I do say so myself. i agree! hopefully i did equally as well with my response. ;) lol

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Registered: 10-10-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 11:53pm

Hi,


If you are referring to McCain, he certainly was not convicted of anything.

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Registered: 10-10-2008
In reply to: carolitt
Sat, 10-11-2008 - 12:18am
Even if Ayers did deny something, how would that matter?

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