Obama/McCain

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Obama/McCain
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Sun, 09-21-2008 - 11:26pm
Do they both come from money?

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Registered: 04-09-2006
Mon, 09-22-2008 - 10:04am

Oh, yeah. Obama's character. He has to be a muslim because his middle name is Hussein. He went to a madrassa as a youth. There's a video of a vagrant on youtube who says he's had an intimate encounter with him. There's another youtube video of a shifty-eyed guy who claims that he supports infanticide. His pastor (like Sarah Palin's pastor) has put politically incorrect material in his sermons. And so forth. He smokes. He's dumbed down his political message. (This last point does concern me.)

The RP has done a lot of digging, but has had to content itself with innuendo. They've been successful, too: 12% of voters think that Obama is a muslim.

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 09-22-2008 - 10:10am

thanks for assuming I have issues with the Muslim ~thing~ ;-)


I've spoken out about it many times ... and have even stated, 'so what if he is?'.


not what I meant at all.

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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 10:11am

Maybe it's just me, but I probably wouldn't care even if he was Muslim. We're not at war with Islam. We're at was with extremists. Any religion can have extremists, there's nothing inherently scary about Muslims.


Chrissy
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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 10:17am

unfortunately many can't see the difference .. and then there are others who don't care, they'll use any tactic to bash a candidate.

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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:23am
I agree.
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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:25am
sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all the things he's been accused of are actually bad. it's just that the slime machine hasn't turned up much.
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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 12:01pm

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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 12:18pm


"So am I too assume that you disliked Clinton and how he ran the country also? I just don't like hypocrites. It shouldn't be ok for one president to cheat and another not!"

I don't think being an adulterer made Clinton a bad president. If it's true that McCain was an adulterer - in addition to just dumping his fat wife, it won't make him a bad president either. This isn't about whether adultery makes McCain a bad president. It's about the hypocrisy on the right - touting the overarching importance of "family values" as a mark against Clinton, but not McCain. I consider this a black mark against McCain, but not something worthy of consideration in voting for him. The hypocrisy of the right is also not a mark against McCain. It's an important observation, though, as it tells us that most of the people who tout the "family values" espoused by conservatives don't actually believe that rubbish.

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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 12:30pm

except of course knjess said this directly to a poster who has stated he/she has strong issues with

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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 12:42pm

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It would be better to not make assumptions about me, or anyone else for that matter, lol. And there are some words like "hypocrite" (or "liar", etc) that should be used sparingly, and certainly NEVER in conjunction with an "assumption". Clinton's unprofessional behavior made his presidency ineffective on many crucial matters. As an article posted on this forum noted, Clinton's domestic scancals got in the way of him addressing global terrorism. As I stated in another post, given the choice of Ms. Clinton or McCain, I would have seriously considered McCain, because at the time I thought he was the more honorable person, and Ms. Clinton's scandals would have tainted her presidency from the start. Apparently Lincoln didn't surround himself with yes men; he invited people into his cabinet who didn't necesssarily agree with him. I don't see this happening today, but it would be refreshing, and possibly even good for the country.

There isn't really much difference between the major parties. Okay, most D's are a little to the left of center, and most R's are a litle to the right of center. They've staked out their political territory so carefully that each of them can convince approximately half of the population to vote for them. And almost all of them shop at Wal-Mart.

There is another important issue here. IMHO it is particularly inappropriate for the party that prides itself on its "family values", whose members loudly decry the lack of them in "liberals", to support a presidential candidate with such a poor track record on this front. I'd call THAT "hypocritical".

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