Okay dems be honest now...

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 12:36am
Didn't you think President Bush did better in this debate than in the last one? I will admitt that he bombed the first one Kerry clearly kicked his bottom. This time though, I think President Bush did slightly better than Kerry. Opinions?~Lisa

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 12:50am
I agree Bush did better than the first debate. As for a 'win', I'd call it more of a draw - I feel like both of them did more avoiding of the main point of the questions this time than last, and both did a bit more pandering to their base. But, overall, Bush definitely improved his performance over the last time.

I guess I wonder what undecided voters either of them are going after, when they both seem to fall right into the 'energize the base' rhetoric.

Wende

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 7:25am

Yes, I do think bush did better then last time, but I don't think he did slightly better then Kerry and here is why:


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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 8:20am
Independent, not a Dem, but can I answer anyway? Bush's handlers definitely put him through his paces and he did better than he did in the last one, but I would not put him as better than Kerry. I would call it about even.

I have to say that at one point I wondered if he had to go potty since he kept fidgeting and interrupting for a period of time ;)

I am just stymied that Bush refuses to admit any mistakes. Every time he said "I will take personal responsibility" I kept shouting back at the TV "WHEN?!" It's a good thing Abby can sleep through anything once she's out.

The thing that really bugs me, too, is this notion that if he starts to talk like Gomer Pyle and bob his neck like a palsied chicken that somehow this makes him "just folks"

It's insulting, IMO.

Kerry had some very good points but sometimes it takes him too long to get to them.

Mostly I'm just proud of myself for sitting through the whole thing :)

KJ

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 8:31am
ROFL!

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 8:47am

My thoughts:


There were moments I thought Kerry *got points* and moments I thought the same for W .... in the end though I do think for *overall* performance Bush won.

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 8:58am

While I don't necessarily agree with your analysis, I do agree in that it was a draw!


I think the one thing that really stood out for me was Kerry talking about solving the health care crisis. If I heard "I have

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 9:01am
Ya know that is one main thing I do NOT get about the Kerry Plan(s) ..... they do NOT seem possible.

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 9:05am

>>I am just stymied that Bush refuses to admit any mistakes. Every time he said "I will take personal responsibility" I kept shouting back at the TV "WHEN?!" It's a good thing Abby can sleep through anything once she's out.<<


Bush has admitted miscalculations.

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 9:21am
New here and a former poster at the Liberal Parents board. So, now you all know where my beliefs lie. I didn't watch the first debate (I had something else going on) so I have no frame of reference. I did think that the debate was closer to a draw than either party's spin machines have said. I don't like George Bush, never have, never will. To me, he is smarmy and often times a liar. I also am not a big John Kerry fan, but I LOVE John Edwards. I voted for Edwards in the primaries and am a big supporter.

Having said all of this, I understand the points about John Kerry's plan to fix health care--I sometimes wonder if it is a little farfetched, but I am willing to try. It is better than Bush's plan which stymies me. I mean, what good do health care savings plans do when someone doesn't have a job? Or what about the Canadian drugs? Allowing people to get their drugs from Canada is, in my mind, no big deal. I mean, if people are willing to take the chance that maybe they aren't safe (which I would think they are, otherwise are Canadian officials going to allow their citizens to take them) then why not let them? If a waiver needed to be signed, I am sure people would do it to save the $$. I just heard a commercial the other day that said something about giving seniors $1200 a year for their drug coverage! To the TV I said "What good does that do when some of the seniors pay upwards of $400 or $500 a MONTH! That pays for MAYBE three months of drugs! What about the other 9 months and $3600 to $4500?!?"

And the whole Patriot Act thing--it is SO wrong for this country. Bush's answer to that man's question was so off base. My hubby, who is voting for Bush (actually, against Kerry) thinks that the Patriot Act is just eroding our civil liberties and he thinks that it needs to be fixed. That is why he will be voting for Senator Russ Feingold in our senatorial race here--he was either the only senator or one of two who voted against the Patriot Act three years ago.

So, having said all that I guess you could say I believe it was a draw. I will still be voting for Kerry because I am a social issues kind of a gal--I am definitely pro-choice and anti-gun and all those other "liberal positions" and I don't want MY civil liberties as a woman eroded, nor those of my daughters (2), nieces (5) or sisters (3).

Leigh Anne

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Sat, 10-09-2004 - 9:37am
"The man believes with his heart and soul that what he did was the right thing for America."

Nope. I have had the last four years to watch and listen and it really seems to come down to his pride. I don't think what's best for America really figures in for him.

"To say othewise, he'd be lying to appease voters like you."

Instead, he lies to appease voters like you.

"That's not what I want in my president."

Exactly.

KJ

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