Osama bin Laden is dead

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Registered: 09-14-1997
Osama bin Laden is dead
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Sun, 05-01-2011 - 11:55pm

First of all...it is about damned time.

Query? How will this affect the US now? How will this affect the political climate?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2011
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 9:20pm

For clarity here... Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. Germany then declared war on the US, and we declared war on Japan and Germany. Hitler went against advice and fulfilled treaty obligations to his Japanese ally. He was told that the US had the capability to build 10,000 planes in a year, at a time when Germany was making 3,000. He scoffed. End of first year, US made 50,000. Oops.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-16-2008
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 9:23pm
<<< And those same people will tell you that Saddam Hussein needed to go, that he was barbaric, that he, his sons and his coterie tortured people; all without seeing the staggering amount of rank hypocrisy and irony at a level which boggles one's mind. >>>

You see no difference in a terrorist being waterboarded in an attempt to gain insight and SH and crew torturing innocent civilians? To compare the two frankly boggles my mind.
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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-03-2009
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 9:47pm

Kinda funny.

Jabberwocka

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-03-2009
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 9:58pm

There were prisoners who were subjected to rendition (torture in other countries) and waterboarding WHO WERE NOT TERRORISTS.

Jabberwocka

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2011
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 10:06pm

Torturing is wrong, period. Means to an end is no justification. To terrorists, to their pov, they have a goal, they believe we are wrong. In the 1940s, Manachem Begin engaged in terrorist activity against the UK, trying to oust them from what is now Israel. He ended up Prime Minister. Who is right and who is wrong isn't always clear, and if we go about on a high horse claiming we can torture people because the moral ground is our own when in reality isn't exclusively ours, we just create more ill will, more animosity - and more terrorists.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-16-2008
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 10:10pm
You didn't answer me...you find SH and his torture of innocents and the waterboarding of this man in particular as the same thing? I didn't see you discussing all detainees and I said "a" terrorist in response to your post. I was specifically asking about the example you posted to demonstrate the hypocrisy you've discussed.
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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2011
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 10:19pm

Attacking a building in an airplane is an act of war. I get what you are trying for, but it would be better if you drop the scale of comparison to say... hostage taking or beheadings of captives.

I decry that conduct, and I decry us torturing anyone. We are better than that. I am 56, and grew up believing in a nation that did not attack others unless they first attacked us, and that we treated prisoners according to the Geneva convention. Torture was something the not so nice people did. Now we have this nation engaging in it. We can't have that, it opens too many doors.

If my point is ambiguous, I'll be clear for you: under no circumstances is torture acceptable.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-16-2008
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 10:24pm
Now I remember why I don't come to the debate boards anymore...this new format sucks and I don't know who anyone is responding to. :-(

My post was to jabber, I don't know if any other responses were directed to me or not. :-/
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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-03-2009
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 10:42pm

By chance, are you using a smart phone to respond?

Jabberwocka

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-02-2009
Tue, 05-10-2011 - 11:00pm

This is the THIRD time that I am indicating the words about proving real manhood were not mine.

Oh, you just linked to the article. And put the words in your post. Well, I was responding to that ridiculous statement that you posted.

I think that much of Bush's "intelligence", both in regard to his mental capabilities...

Yeah, yeah, you are just repeating those old talking points about how dumb the Harvard and Yale grad is. Well, one of our wartime Presidents did a really dumb thing and rounded up a group of people and put them in camps. It wasn't Bush.

I am wondering why you would compare Bush to Roosevelt.

Well, if you didn't catch it, it was in response to the comment about invading a country to be a "man". It really isn't even worthy of comment, it's just name-calling.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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