Palin a danger to America??

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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 8:58am

CNN's Campbell Brown talks with a panel about Gov. Palin's selection as Sen. McCain's running mate and if it hurts the GOP.


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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 11:33am

I wonder how long that PDF will be good for since he keeps changing his position.

Now I know there are those that discount information if it doesn't come from certain sources, but any statement made in this article can be checked out independently:

On issues ranging from the serious (Social Security payroll taxes and capital gains taxes) to the silly (flag lapel pins), few things have escaped late-campaign overhauls by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

During the past eight weeks alone, Obama has significantly scaled back once-vociferous positions on the payroll tax, capital gains tax rates, and offshore drilling. During the course of his political ascendancy, he has waffled on single-payer healthcare, hovered beneath the radar on gay rights and gun control, and rethought his wholehearted endorsement of ethanol subsidies.

The frequent changes leave many asking: Just where does Obama stand, and is he a flip-flopper?

Media expert Cordel Faulk told Newsmax that such changes “will play heavily into the minds of voters as they make their decisions.

“Right now, it looks like voters care about one thing first and foremost: The economy — and these issues will resonate,” said Faulk, who is communications, media and research director at the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics in Charlottesville.

A Newsmax review of Obama campaign statements reveals the fluid nature of the Democratic senator’s platform:

# Social Security Payroll Tax — The law now requires withholding of payroll taxes on only the first $102,000 of earnings; anything above that is free of the tax. Early in the primary season, Obama advocated lifting that cap and taxing all earnings as a way to address future Social Security shortfalls. But during a debate in April, Sen. Hillary Clinton confronted Obama with the allegation that this would amount to a tax hike on folks making less than $250,000 a year – something Obama had vowed not to do.

His response: a new plan that would keep the free pass in place for those earning between $102,000 and $250,000, creating what some have nicknamed “the doughnut hole.”

# Capital Gains Tax — Obama, again during the primary season, expressed his intent to restore the capital gains tax rate, which now is 15 percent, to 28 percent, its high point during the Clinton administration. But the campaign now says it will not support any increase beyond the 20 percent figure Senator Clinton advocated during her primary campaign, according to an opinion piece that Obama advisers Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee wrote in August in The Wall Street Journal. He also indicated during a televised interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly in September that he had abandoned his quest to seek cap gains taxes of 25 percent or 28 percent, saying 20 percent was his new limit.

That’s nothing compared with his convention acceptance speech on Aug. 27, when he said he would eliminate the cap gains tax altogether for small businesses.

Financial commentator Larry Kudlow recently wrote: “If Senator Obama is flip-flopping toward lower investment taxes, so much the better.”

# Offshore Drilling — In June, as gasoline prices were soaring, Sen. John McCain reversed an earlier position and came out in favor of lifting the moratorium on drilling for oil off much of the U.S. coast. That week, Obama criticized McCain’s change of heart, telling a gathering of Democratic governors in Chicago that “it makes absolutely no sense at all.” Less than six weeks later, however, speaking in Florida to a reporter with The Palm Beach Post, Obama said he’d be fine with expanded offshore drilling as part of any larger plan to move toward energy independence. “I don’t want to be so rigid that we can’t get something done,” he said.

# Single-payer Healthcare — During Obama’s battle with Clinton for the Democratic nomination, she claimed that he once favored a government single-payer health system and had shifted to a private insurance-based plan only after he became a serious presidential hopeful, an allegation that Obama denied. But speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO in June 2003, Obama had said, “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal healthcare program. I see no reason why the United States of America the wealthiest country in the history of the world, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. A single-payer healthcare plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see.”

More: http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_flip_flop/2008/10/14/140547.html

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60% of Americans pay taxes; 5% of Americans pay nearly 90% of the taxes collected; but one presidential candidate has gotten Americans to believe he's going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans (and doesn't mention he's not going to renew the current tax cuts set to expire after the next president takes office).




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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 11:36am

hi, welcome tot he board!


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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 12:03pm

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# Social Security Payroll Tax — The law now requires withholding of payroll taxes on only the first $102,000 of earnings; anything above that is free of the tax. Early in the primary season, Obama advocated lifting that cap and taxing all earnings as a way to address future Social Security shortfalls. But during a debate in April, Sen. Hillary Clinton confronted Obama with the allegation that this would amount to a tax hike on folks making less than $250,000 a year – something Obama had vowed not to do.


His response: a new plan that would keep the free pass in place for those earning between $102,000 and $250,000, creating what some have nicknamed “the doughnut hole.” he was made aware of a change that needed to be made, and he made it.


# Capital Gains Tax — Obama, again during the primary season, expressed his intent to restore the capital gains tax rate, which now is 15 percent, to 28 percent, its high point during the Clinton administration. But the campaign now says it will not support any increase beyond the 20 percent figure Senator Clinton advocated during her primary campaign, according to an opinion piece that Obama advisers Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee wrote in August in The Wall Street Journal. He also indicated during a televised interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly in September that he had abandoned his quest to seek cap gains taxes of 25 percent or 28 percent, saying 20 percent was his new limit.

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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 12:10pm
First welcome to the board. Second.. have you ever been to Europe? I lived there and with the exception of "looked into his eyes n saw his soul n thought gee he's a good guy" Russia, it's far from "skeery" to coin your word. Yes the past has been turmoil filled but so has ours.. the current governmental situations? Really not that bad and it's been this way for decades. It sounds like you are scared to death of any kind of change. Honestly... I am scared to death of where another term of Bush could take us and McCain has not stated much deviation from that road. Taking away our rights, buying up bad debt (at the President's request.. the Dems wanted the bailout but not the bad debt buy)... he's taken us closer to a socialist/communist country than we have ever been before. Until you have been there & witnessed what the government policies are doing for the countries you cannot use that as a legitimate warning. Remember when Hitler came into power Germany was in a recession/depression and he got to where he ended up by blaming one group of people. I see a lot of that same blaming of Muslims and illegals and even gays here. THAT scares me. You simply have to turn off the propaganda and step back & look around at ALL the info not just what Fox & Rush tell you. Believe me it took me long enough.. I voted GOP my whole adult life until this election. I was in the military & hubby was until 2005. I've lived all over the country and seen more of the world than a vast majority of people my age from Ohio have. (33 btw and from all over the US to Germany to the Persian Gulf and most everywhere between) I am a born again Christian. I am so not a "typical liberal" if anything I am smack in the middle of most debates. This time I see a real hope for changing our country around from the devastating track it's headed down.


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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 12:14pm
You could also say that about John "I won't sit & talk to anyone" McCain after the President decided Obama's idea to actually *gasp* TALK to Iran's leaders wasn't such a bad one. Yes they both flip flop. yes they both have changes of heart when they realize one idea might be better after all even if it came from the other side. It was interesting IMHO JM's 9am-11am change of heart on the economy. hmm Oh and we had the whole credible news sources convo before and Newsmax was one of the only-credible-to-cons sources just like HuffPo was listed as only-credible-to-libs.


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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 12:56pm

I am typically rather dubious of biased sources, whether they be liberal or conservative, which is why I try to post items from non-partisan sites. I'm going to make an exception this time though and post an article from WorldNetDaily since it is often used as a source by conservatives on this board.


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71107


McCain wins gold for flip-flops




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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 1:27pm

I think some of the things Palin and her husband, have associated with are dangerous.

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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 4:26pm

Yeah I googled socialist uprisings in Europe and found some really scary stuff:

"Poland 1956: The Poznan uprising
Hundreds of thousands of Polish people protested in solidarity with the October 1956 Hungarian Revolution

Hundreds of thousands of Polish people protested in solidarity with the October 1956 Hungarian Revolution

Fifty years ago this week Polish workers rose up in rebellion, demanding bread and freedom. Kuba Olszewski and Andy Zebrowski trace the story of a heroic struggle

The Poznan uprising of June 1956 sparked a mass movement in Poland and set in train the events leading towards the revolution in Hungary later in the year.

In both countries workers fought a system where the state was also their employer – a system of state capitalism.

The repressive regimes founded in Eastern Europe after the Second World War were dictatorships modelled on Joseph Stalin’s Russia."

And then there is this:
"The Warsaw Ghetto uprising, 1943

Sixty years ago one of the most heroic struggles against fascism took place. Fifty thousand Warsaw Jews resisted their final liquidation by the Nazi army. Armed with petrol bombs, grenades and a few pistols, the uprising lasted several weeks. How and why the uprising happened, and the effect it later had on the thinking of many Israeli Jews, make it an important anniversary event for study by socialists today. JON DALE writes.

AT THE OUTBREAK of World War Two there were three million Jews in Poland. Three to four hundred thousand lived in Warsaw – one third of the city’s population. Although Jews had lived in Poland since 1200, there was a long history of anti-Semitism and discrimination, which increased during the 1930s. Most lived in poverty, working in small family workshops.

The Nazis invaded Poland on 1 September 1939, a week after the Stalin-Hitler pact was signed. Sixteen days later Stalin ordered the Soviet army to invade. By 1 October Warsaw had fallen to the German army. Within days separate bread queues were established for Jews and Poles. The Nazis built on pre-existing divisions and prejudice to keep the population divided. Himmler later wrote to Hitler "… we have the greatest interest in not uniting the population of the East but, on the contrary, in dividing it into as many parts and splinters as possible". (25 May 1940)"

Pretty scary stuff - all those socialist uprisings - I'd stay out of Europe until they get it straightened out _ LOL!

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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 5:16pm

LOL!

 

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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 7:18pm

"Really? That's going on right now? Europe is unstable?"

I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse, but where did someone say this is going on in Europe right now? I was talking about the effect of socialistic/communistic government policies. I'm not interested in having points and meanings twisted around into another sphere.

As for whoever said I'm "scared of change", why do you have to devolve into a personal attack? You couldn't possibly hazard a guess of what I am or am not "scared" of. And, what's this now, Obama represents change. Change change change, just any old change?

Reminds me of these videos:

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

http://www.jibjab.com/view/230977
(No matter your political view, you have to admit the above one is funny ... candidates all blowing smoke when we need real problems solved like how to get vending machines to take our stinking dollars! lol)

Yes, he's talked about "change" until we're deaf in the ear as they say. His record is extremely liberal, he's no centrist, but many Americans have been fooled. Change for the sake of change is also known as jumping from the fire into the frying pan, the grass is greener, be careful what you wish for, etc. But, I have to give Obama credit for being a successful chameleon in talk so far, but I know he can't do the action part. Never has, he didn't change his spots in the past few months.

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American's new math:
60% of Americans pay taxes; 5% of Americans pay nearly 90% of the taxes collected; but one presidential candidate has gotten Americans to believe he's going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans (and doesn't mention he's not going to renew the current tax cuts set to expire after the next president takes office).




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