Photo IDs Racist?

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Registered: 07-01-2008
Photo IDs Racist?
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Wed, 06-06-2012 - 6:48pm
Is requiring a photo ID racist when voting? That's nuts to believe requiring I'd is racist when you need one to drive get a job or
to purchase cigarettes or beer but not to avoid fraud.
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Registered: 10-23-2001
Re: Photo IDs Racist?
Sun, 06-10-2012 - 7:39am
Grumble, re military. I think you're right Anthony.. I have little sympathy for somebody's inability to exercise their fundamental right, It is there.

 


 


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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 06-10-2012 - 10:35am
The issue isn't "a form of ID." the issue is that it must be a very specific form. If you show up at the polls in some states and your driver's license expired yesterday, it doesn't matter that you have a military ID, passport, or anything else that can show who you are. You might be allowed to cast a provisional ballot, you might not, depending on the poll workers. Given the history of selective enforcement in many areas in the past, these are just not good laws.
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Registered: 03-03-2009
Re: Photo IDs Racist?
Sun, 06-10-2012 - 12:10pm

I hadn't thought about homeless vets but there are many.  What a travesty of justice it would be, if those who served and were scarred mentally and/or physically by their war experiences, were on the streets, didn't have photo ID and were unable to have their voices heard politically in the nation they served. My father, husband, and son are all vets; DS is in the Middle East right now.

Near as I can tell, there aren't many mechanisms by which non-drivers can easily acquire a photo ID.  And when you look at those states which are behind the campaigns to require photo ID, many are also aggressively targeting illegal immigrants.  Kansas and Kris Kobach come to mind.  Kobach was a John Ashcroft protege and played a very influential role in drafting Arizona's nativist-trending legislation.  Not surprisingly, he also is proud of going up against the ACLU.  Ugly stuff, IMHO.  Apparently, I am not alone in thinking that the photo ID issue is not a hallmark of a healthy democracy:

Nationally, the League of Women Voters is opposed to changing voter laws, with national President Elisabeth MacNamara calling the spate of restrictions placed on voters an assault "that is one of the greatest self-inflicted threats to our democracy in our lifetimes."  http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/06/10/Politics-2012-Picture-proving-you-are-who-you-say-you-are-at-the-polling-place/UPI-69921339315260/

Moreover, the incidence of fraud is so insignificant that there seems to be something else at play--an attempt to restrict who can vote seems most likely:

Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda. Voter fraud is most often invoked as a substantial problem in order to justify particular election policies. Chief among these is the proposal that individuals be required to show photo ID in order to vote - a policy that disenfranchises up to 10% of eligible citizens. But the only misconduct that photo ID addresses is the kind of voter fraud that happens as infrequently as death by lightning. Therefore, it suits those who prefer photo ID as a policy to lump as much misconduct in with “voter fraud” as possible, to create the impression that the problem is far more significant than it actually is. Moreover, to the extent photo ID is suggested as a solution to the perception that voter fraud occurs, it behooves those who prefer photo ID to reinforce the unsubstantiated perception that voter fraud exists. http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

 

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 12-07-2011
Sun, 06-10-2012 - 3:56pm

Eventhough I agree that voter fraud is a crime it's just not a lucrative or productive one. I'm not saying it is not committed but usually not on a massive scale and if  it was only around election time. Very hard to pull it off and not a lot of people feel it is worth the hassle cause there is virtually no money in it if at all.

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Registered: 05-27-1998
Sun, 06-10-2012 - 8:43pm

There is so much room for error and fraud in our current voting system that requiring IDs barely begins to address it. For a long time, DH and I lived in a small town where everyone knew us. Technically, IDs were required at our one polling place (the town hall), but all the poll workers knew who you were, so no one asked for an ID. You gave your address and full name, and were handed a ballot.

In November, we moved to a larger town of about 35,000 people. There are multiple polling places here. During the primary election, we were asked for IDs, as expected. I have no problem with this at all. But after we voted, the ballot machine died and refused to accept any more ballots.  Apparently, there is a contigency plan. A poll worker takes your ballot by hand and stashes it in a locked compartment on the side of the machine, then someone feeds it through manually when the machine is fixed.

The worker asked if we were okay with this and we were (we were permitted to wait until the machine was fixed if we weren't), but I kept wondering how many people would be able to wait. And what was to prevent the worker from looking at the ballots and only feeding through the ones that she supported? It occurred to me then that although we certainly don't have the problems that less stable countries have with voting, we definitely have a lot of room for improvement. Requiring IDs is just a drop in the bucket.

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Registered: 04-09-2006
Re: Photo IDs Racist?
Mon, 06-11-2012 - 1:41am
You do know Florida purged some people who were not "illegals and convicts"?
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Registered: 04-09-2006
Mon, 06-11-2012 - 1:46am
I couldn't vote in the primary....had misplaced my driver's license (actually dh set something down on my wallet)...I was born in the US and a voter for over 30 years, and my town is so tiny that we all know each other. But rules are rules if you live in ConLand. If you really want to see what the cons' Nanny State is doing, try going through a border crossing in my neck of the woods...if you don't answer their (illegal) questions, they threaten to detain you and "take your car apart". Just what the founding fathers wanted?