Planned Parenthood leader among 64 arrested protesting North Carolina anti-abortion law

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Planned Parenthood leader among 64 arrested protesting North Carolina anti-abortion law
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If you want to look at it that way, that life growing inside of you is a parasite since it cannot live on its own. A woman's body belongs to her and may not be used by another to provide them life unless she chooses to do so.
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Registered: 01-14-2011

A new low in the pro-choice argument. A parasite is a different species than the host.  A baby is not a parasite.

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No, it's not and thanks to science we are finding out sooner and sooner when a viable life occurs. Pro-lifers don't call it a parasite, but go ahead and call it that if it makes you feel better. 

 

 

 


 


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To JB3: So a woman's uterus doesn't belong to her if she becomes pregnant? What about her other organs? Do they serve just as the means by which to sustain a pregnancy? BTW, that "second set of organs" is NOT in full development or even existence at all stages after conception. I'm trying to tease out the logic of what you're saying and there doesn't seem to be a single coherent or consistent standard.

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To PSS: Your definition of a parasite is not the definitive one: par·a·site ˈparəˌsīt/ noun noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites 1. an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense. derogatory a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return. synonyms: hanger-on, cadger, leech, passenger; More informalbloodsucker, sponger, bottom feeder, scrounger, freeloader, mooch "she longed to be free of the parasites in her family" Maybe there is a certain repugnance, particularly for the anti-choice crowd, in using the word "parasite" for an unwanted pregnancy, but technically a blastocyst/embryo/fetus fits into the categories described above.

Jabberwocka

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To JB3 in response to the issue of "viable life". How exactly are you defining that phrase? This is from Merriam Webster's dictionary: " capable of living; especially : having attained such form and development as to be normally capable of surviving outside the mother's womb ". But no baby has ever been successfully delivered before the middle of the 22nd week. Babies delivered during the 22nd and 23rd weeks weigh just over a pound. Their lungs have barely formed and their airways are not developed enough to inhale. Circulation depends on the use of ventilators and injections of hormones. A baby born during the 22nd week has a 14.8 percent chance of survival. And about half of these survivors are brain-damaged, either by lack of oxygen (from poor initial respiration) or too much oxygen (from the ventilator). Neonatologists predict that no baby will ever be viable before the 22nd week, because before then the lungs are not fully formed.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_gist/1997/05/fetal_viability.html Raises all kinds of further questions. What category do in vitro fertilization products fall into? Who determines what "survival" is? What does "normally capable" mean in terms of medical interventions? Do you know what the toll is for premature birth in terms of normal development? Seems to me that iluvkrat's point is that there are issues of volition which you have NOT NOT NOT addressed; rather than the issue of what terminology makes us "feel better". P.S. Sorry for the lack of formatting. The only way I can post is through the "quick reply" option which offers no real choices. Funny, how restrictive lack of choice can be. And almost a year after the latest iVillage oeuvre, it continues to be clunky, buggy, and horribly unfriendly to iVillage members. Heads should roll.

Jabberwocka

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I should have said parasitic, since yes, same species, but cannot live without a host.  Again, it is a woman's choice if she wants to provide her body as a means to sustain the life of another until it is viable. 

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Registered: 01-14-2011

My definition is from an expert in the field of parasitology.

A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a hetero specific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.)

The only thing I find repugnant is that the pro-choice activists are trying to use  "the fetus is actually a parasite so it is ok to abort it" excuse.  

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To lluvkrat..Do you know any other uses for the uterus other than hosting a baby?  Seems like women's bodies were built to have this "parasite" grow inside them.  

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To PSS: To a woman who does not wish to be pregnant, a blastocyst/embryo/fetus could well feel like a parasite, in the more generally accepted definition of the word. Since most of the people who speak the English language are NOT parasitologists, it is appropriate to use common parlance. As for characterizing a pregnancy as parasitical, that's hardly an "excuse". Pregnancy meets the criterion, though the connotation of a parasite is usually negative. Calling the characterization an "excuse" is judgmental, dismissive and ummmm, wrong. Am wondering, if there ever comes a time when human life is capable of developing normally from conception to full viability, outside the uterus, what objection will be raised to keep women from having full body autonomy. Am pretty sure they'll think of something....... probably call it "unnatural" ,"deviant", a "sin against God"...... I've said it before and will say it again. The issue of volition is crucial. If you personally believe that pregnancies should not be terminated, then don't get an abortion. Unless a woman is ready to give birth, practice full time abstinence (yeah, right, that's gonna happen with most healthy males and females****heavy sarcasm****) because that's the only method of birth control which is 100% effective. But do NOT assume that you have some God-given right to impose your beliefs on others for such a major and life-impacting decision.

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