I tried to listen, really I did but stopped after about 10 minutes of extended introduction! Would it be possible for you to summarize what you found worthy of debate? I'm sure there was something of interest there or you wouldn't have posted it but I just couldn't make it long enough to find out what it was!
sure, i'll post some of the things i found interesting. not sure how debate worthy it is, but interesting perspective that i havent heard before. hope you can understand my confusing writing style ;)
thought his perspective was interesting as someone who was raised as an evangelical.
I would agree that's way out of line. But how do we know it really happened? Never mind, it did happen but it makes more sense if you know the context in which it happened. She did after all kill two innocent sleeping victims with a pickax. Not that he couldn't have been a bit more sensitive but he was just answering a question.
I know the context. I know exactly what she did. I know that she followed in her mother's footsteps and became a prostitute at the age of 14. I know that she became a drug addict and an alcoholic at the age of 12. And I know that one night, after a day-long drug binge, she and a friend broke into a house to steal a motorcycle and bludgeoned 2 people to death.
I also know that she turned to God and spent her time on Death Row a changed woman. I'm not arguing that that justifies or makes up for the horrible crime she commited. And I can understand why someone would oppose her sentence being commuted to life in prison. But what I will never be able to understand is how a man who has so much power over someone else, who literally holds her life and her death in his hands, and who also claims to follow Jesus, can stand there and mock, belittle, and make fun of the fact that she's going to die. Doesn't he know that Jesus forgives those who ask for it? Who is Bush to mock that? I know the context and I find it even more disgusting and disturbing because of it.
yes, and as a recovering addict i would expect him to be more compassionate towards those who have gone through similar struggles in their lives. silly me.
here is more on the issue for those who may not recall the incident...
<Talk magazine in 1999. It was about Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderer whose execution Bush, as governor, had refused to stay. Here is what Carlson wrote (as quoted in National Review, another source hardly known to be hostile toward Republicans):
In the week before execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask.
Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them," he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with , though. He asked her real difficult questions, like 'What would you say to Governor Bush?' "
"What was her answer?" I wonder.
"Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me."
You must be reading a different version of the incident than I read. I agree it probably could have been said in a different way but it sounds more like it was said after a series of annoying questions had been asked.
But I can understand if you're anti-death penalty than no matter why it was said wouldn't matter to you--and we all know how you always tend to give GB the benefit of the doubt. LOL!
I used to want to be an executioner in my younger days being very familiar with some pretty heinous crimes. Not sure if I'd have the stomach for it in reality but am very glad others do.
I believe she was referring to the fact that GWB was himself a recovering addict, not the poster. Or did I misunderstand her words?
<<yes, and as a recovering addict i would expect him to be more compassionate towards those who have gone through similar struggles in their lives. silly me.>>
>>You must be reading a different version of the incident than I read. I agree it probably could have been said in a different way but it sounds more like it was said after a series of annoying questions had been asked<<
A politician was asked annoying questions by a reporter, and that justifies this level of insensitivity?
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sure, i'll post some of the things i found interesting. not sure how debate worthy it is, but interesting perspective that i havent heard before. hope you can understand my confusing writing style ;)
thought his perspective was interesting as someone who was raised as an evangelical.
he mentions 152 executions while gwb was governor. how he 'smirked
Edited 12/14/2008 4:44 pm ET by sandyluv88
I know the context. I know exactly what she did. I know that she followed in her mother's footsteps and became a prostitute at the age of 14. I know that she became a drug addict and an alcoholic at the age of 12. And I know that one night, after a day-long drug binge, she and a friend broke into a house to steal a motorcycle and bludgeoned 2 people to death.
I also know that she turned to God and spent her time on Death Row a changed woman. I'm not arguing that that justifies or makes up for the horrible crime she commited. And I can understand why someone would oppose her sentence being commuted to life in prison. But what I will never be able to understand is how a man who has so much power over someone else, who literally holds her life and her death in his hands, and who also claims to follow Jesus, can stand there and mock, belittle, and make fun of the fact that she's going to die. Doesn't he know that Jesus forgives those who ask for it? Who is Bush to mock that? I know the context and I find it even more disgusting and disturbing because of it.
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yes, and as a recovering addict i would expect him to be more compassionate towards those who have gone through similar struggles in their lives. silly me.
here is more on the issue for those who may not recall the incident...
<Talk magazine in 1999. It was about Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderer whose execution Bush, as governor, had refused to stay. Here is what Carlson wrote (as quoted in National Review, another source hardly known to be hostile toward Republicans):
You must be reading a different version of the incident than I read. I agree it probably could have been said in a different way but it sounds more like it was said after a series of annoying questions had been asked.
But I can understand if you're anti-death penalty than no matter why it was said wouldn't matter to you--and we all know how you always tend to give GB the benefit of the doubt. LOL!
I used to want to be an executioner in my younger days being very familiar with some pretty heinous crimes. Not sure if I'd have the stomach for it in reality but am very glad others do.
I believe she was referring to the fact that GWB was himself a recovering addict, not the poster. Or did I misunderstand her words?
<<yes, and as a recovering addict i would expect him to be more compassionate towards those who have gone through similar struggles in their lives. silly me.>>
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>>You must be reading a different version of the incident than I read. I agree it probably could have been said in a different way but it sounds more like it was said after a series of annoying questions had been asked<<
A politician was asked annoying questions by a reporter, and that justifies this level of insensitivity?
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