pro-life: keep abortion legal

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pro-life: keep abortion legal
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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 1:01pm

you say what I mean so well -- must be why you luv me ;-)


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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 1:39pm

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That's like saying someone who is pro-choice is in support of incest or having sex with you dog. I mean pro-choice means "pro-choice" doesn't it?


Except we know that's silly because pro-choice is a term coined specifically for use when it comes to abortion. Just like pro-life was term coined specifically for use when referring to abortion.>>




I agree, but I also realize that there are some "pro-lifers" out there who do use the term referring to all life. I personally consider the term to specifically refer to abortion unless the person using the term implies otherwise. However, imo I think it's rude and uncalled for when someone who is pro-life

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 1:59pm

Incest and bestiality are illegal...I am pro giving people a choice about everything that is LEGAL.

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 2:36pm
so are capital offenses ;-)

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 2:38pm

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And, herein lies

 

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 2:53pm
only to those who insist on using the term outside of abortion rights

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 3:01pm
.....which is the point of the whole OP.

 

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 5:17pm

this is pretty much how i feel about the issue of wordage on this topic:

<>http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Pro:life.htm

i tend to agree with what sandy (proud to be a cl) said about using more appropriate/honest terms: pro-right-to abort and anti right to abort (paraphrased)

and i came across this and i thought this was interesting.

<<...this is a good place to deal with an objection to my account of how the coinage of pro-choice preceded the coinage of pro-life.

Logically, it should have been the other way around: anti-abortion would lead to pro-abortion; people who held that view would want to change that harsh term to a more accurate pro-choice; people who disagreed with them, but who did not want to be ''anti-choice,'' chose the positive pro-life.

Language does not always follow logic. Fred R. Shapiro, a librarian at Yale Law School, takes the logical view and says I have my facts backward: ''The truth is that pro-life came first, a clever slogan presenting a negative position in a positive light. . . . According to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, MerriamWebster's files record the use of pro-life as early as 1972 but do not document pro-choice until 1975.''

In linguistic and propaganda history, this is no nitpick; I asked Fred Mish at Merriam-Webster to show the cards in his hand. Yes, the pro-life citation is dated 1972, but it's in a phrase about ''anti-war and pro-life articles'' - the meaning had nothing to do with abortion. Indeed, the Oxford English Dictionary has a 1961 citation of pro-life, meaning ''life-enhancing'' and not about abortion; you can track right to life back to George Bernard Shaw's 1916 ''Androcles and the Lion,'' but in a different context. In the coinage dodge, we're interested in the phrase used in its current sense.

Logic, shmogic; the first evidence of the existence of the word pro-choice was in a Wall Street Journal article by Alan L. Otten on March 20, 1975, when this political analyst reported with great prescience: ''Both right-to-life and pro-choice forces agree the abortion issue is going to be around for a long time.'' The first use of pro-life came more than nine months later, on Jan. 18, 1976, in a New York Times quotation of a ''pastoral plan for pro-life activities.''

That's it, until somebody comes up with an earlier citation of the new words used in their current meaning. And I suspect somebody will. To him or her, I say, ''Right on!'' (an interjection first used in Odum and Johnson's 1925 songbook, ''The Negro and His Songs,'' in the phrase ''Right on, Desperado Bill!,'' which sounds like one of the postcards I get). >>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE7D7163EF935A2575AC0A966958260&sec=spon=&pagewanted=all

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Tue, 12-23-2008 - 8:10pm

~Except pro-life refers to abortion. You can't simply take a term used in context and say it's application in all contexts.~


Apparently the Pope and millions of Catholics in the prolife movement found that indeed they can apply it to executions, but I respect your right not to do so.

Kate

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Wed, 12-24-2008 - 2:19am
RIGHT-to-life. That's it!

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