Wow. Disdain? Not at all. Not even sympathy. I just don't understand. It's that simple.
It's funny that liberals are welcome to share their feelings and not get slammed. But if a conservative shares, then ya'll become very argumentive and aggressive. I have as much right to share as ya'll do. More often than not ya'll are just downright antagonistic and
"It's time to put the election behind us and the country in front of us. Barack Obama wasn't my choice, but come January 20th, he will be MY President.... I will not seek to see all
It's funny that liberals are welcome to share their feelings and not get slammed. But if a conservative shares, then ya'll become very argumentive and aggressive. I have as much right to share as ya'll do. More often than not ya'll are just downright antagonistic and
This is how I feel about the Republicans. They're out of touch with the values of our nation, and I don't think I could stand four years of John McCain hectoring me. Being angry does not mean being strong. It means being out of control.
This election is going to surprise a lot of people. The McCain supporters are not talking. And the Obama group just can't shut up. "In an argument, the one doing all the talking is usually the one most at fault." Hmmm, that sounds like Obama, Rev. Wright and the rest of his campaign staff.
Obama must be worried, why else would he sanction fraudulent registrations and buy air time? Just to be sure? yeah---he doesn't believe the polls either...
i'm curious what it means to be an "Obama follower."
Because a person makes an informed decision to vote for Obama, does that make them a "follower"? Is everyone who supports the Democratic candidate a "follower"?
And is anyone who votes for the Republican ticket a "McCain follower"?
i guess i don't like the connotation that either blindly "follows". this board has provided a few instances of blind adherence to a party line ON BOTH SIDES, but it has also provided some lively discussion of why some posters have made educated and considered choices about candidates.
To reduce us to "followers" of one side or the other is demeaning to us all.
Constitutional Amendments: Vote 'Yes' on 1,3, 4, 6, 8
Published: Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 1:10 a.m. Last Modified: Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 1:10 a.m.
Until recently, it appeared thatFlorida voters would have to decide
whether to ratify nine proposed amendments - four of them extremely controversial - to the state constitution on the Nov. 4 ballot. But the state Supreme Court removed three of them from the ballot in September because of misleading labeling. The deleted amendments involved state support for private schools, lessening the separation of church and state, and tax sources for the funding of public education.
Of the remaining amendments, only Amendment 2 is controversial, and The Ledger urges a "No" vote on it - it will be discussed in Friday's editorial. With some reservations, we recommend "Yes" votes on Amendments 1, 3, 4, 6 and 8, which appear below.AMENDMENT 1: YESThis amendment, proposed by the Florida Legislature, would remove language from the constitution that is archaic and has never been implemented. Approved by the Legislature and voters in 1926, the language allows the state to regulate or prohibit the property rights of aliens ineligible for citizenship. It was originally aimed at Asian immigrants, but the Legislature never followed through with implementing legislation. It likely would never survive a challenge under the U.S. Constitution, so the voters would be wise to repeal it now. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 1.AMENDMENT 3: YESThis amendment, proposed by the Florida Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, would authorize the Legislature to give homeowners a small property-tax break for hardening their homes against storms. It also would give a tax break for all residential properties for installing renewable energy devices such as solar panels and water heaters.
The proposed tax breaks are too small to make a major impact, but they seem to be a step in the right direction. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 3.AMENDMENT 4: YESAnother amendment from the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, this one would allow full property-tax exemptions for conservation easements that wouldn't allow development by the property owner. It also would allow the Legislature to classify "conservation" land that would get a tax reduction similar to what agricultural lands get under the Greenbelt Law.
This one is a close call because it gives the Legislature too much leeway in implementation. The Greenbelt Law, whatever its overall merits, has been widely abused over the years, and a new category could be subjected to the same thing. As beholden as the Legislature has traditionally been to special-interest groups, it seems unlikely to enact the safeguards needed.
However, the need for conserving Florida's rapidly diminishing undeveloped land is so great that it's worth taking a chance on this well-motivated amendment. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 4.AMENDMENT 6: YESThis amendment, from the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, would allow "working waterfront" businesses to be taxed on how their property is actually used instead of on its "highest and best" use. It's an attempt to keep long-standing businesses like marinas and commercial fishing facilities from being forced to leave because of high taxes.
It's a good idea. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 6.AMENDMENT 8: YESThe final amendment from the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission would allow counties to vote on levying a sales tax for the benefit of the local community college. There is no limit on how high the local sales tax could be. The amendment requires a new vote after five years if the tax is to remain in effect.
This would be a hard sell for most community colleges, but we see no reason not to allow them to make their case to local voters. Community colleges are a vital part of Florida's educational system and must not be taken for granted. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 8.
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Wow. Disdain? Not at all. Not even sympathy. I just don't understand. It's that simple.
It's funny that liberals are welcome to share their feelings and not get slammed. But if a conservative shares, then ya'll become very argumentive and aggressive. I have as much right to share as ya'll do. More often than not ya'll are just downright antagonistic and
"It's time to put the election behind us and the country in front of us. Barack Obama wasn't my choice, but come January 20th, he will be MY President.... I will not seek to see all
It's funny that liberals are welcome to share their feelings and not get slammed. But if a conservative shares, then ya'll become very argumentive and aggressive. I have as much right to share as ya'll do. More often than not ya'll are just downright antagonistic and
This is how I feel about the Republicans. They're out of touch with the values of our nation, and I don't think I could stand four years of John McCain hectoring me. Being angry does not mean being strong. It means being out of control.
Here is a poignant video about kids and politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYztQpZi-NQ
That's the thing.
When I was young one of my parents committed suicide, so golly, I don't find jokey insults (hurled at either side of your political spectrum)
-Kristen
This election is going to surprise a lot of people. The McCain supporters are not talking. And the Obama group just can't shut up. "In an argument, the one doing all the talking is usually the one most at fault." Hmmm, that sounds like Obama, Rev. Wright and the rest of his campaign staff.
Obama must be worried, why else would he sanction fraudulent registrations and buy air time? Just to be sure?
yeah---he doesn't believe the polls either...
Yes, it will certainly be interesting on who will be surprised.
<<Obama must be worried, why else would he sanction fraudulent registrations>>
What do you mean by that?
Chrissy
mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07
i'm curious what it means to be an "Obama follower."
Because a person makes an informed decision to vote for Obama, does that make them a "follower"? Is everyone who supports the Democratic candidate a "follower"?
And is anyone who votes for the Republican ticket a "McCain follower"?
i guess i don't like the connotation that either blindly "follows". this board has provided a few instances of blind adherence to a party line ON BOTH SIDES, but it has also provided some lively discussion of why some posters have made educated and considered choices about candidates.
To reduce us to "followers" of one side or the other is demeaning to us all.
Bea
Constitutional Amendments: Vote 'Yes' on 1,3, 4, 6, 8
Last Modified: Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 1:10 a.m.
Until recently, it appeared thatFlorida voters would have to decide
whether to ratify nine proposed amendments - four of them extremely controversial - to the state constitution on the Nov. 4 ballot. But the state Supreme Court removed three of them from the ballot in September because of misleading labeling. The deleted amendments involved state support for private schools, lessening the separation of church and state, and tax sources for the funding of public education.
Of the remaining amendments, only Amendment 2 is controversial, and The Ledger urges a "No" vote on it - it will be discussed in Friday's editorial. With some reservations, we recommend "Yes" votes on Amendments 1, 3, 4, 6 and 8, which appear below.AMENDMENT 1: YESThis amendment, proposed by the Florida Legislature, would remove language from the constitution that is archaic and has never been implemented. Approved by the Legislature and voters in 1926, the language allows the state to regulate or prohibit the property rights of aliens ineligible for citizenship. It was originally aimed at Asian immigrants, but the Legislature never followed through with implementing legislation. It likely would never survive a challenge under the U.S. Constitution, so the voters would be wise to repeal it now. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 1.AMENDMENT 3: YESThis amendment, proposed by the Florida Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, would authorize the Legislature to give homeowners a small property-tax break for hardening their homes against storms. It also would give a tax break for all residential properties for installing renewable energy devices such as solar panels and water heaters.
The proposed tax breaks are too small to make a major impact, but they seem to be a step in the right direction. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 3.AMENDMENT 4: YESAnother amendment from the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, this one would allow full property-tax exemptions for conservation easements that wouldn't allow development by the property owner. It also would allow the Legislature to classify "conservation" land that would get a tax reduction similar to what agricultural lands get under the Greenbelt Law.
This one is a close call because it gives the Legislature too much leeway in implementation. The Greenbelt Law, whatever its overall merits, has been widely abused over the years, and a new category could be subjected to the same thing. As beholden as the Legislature has traditionally been to special-interest groups, it seems unlikely to enact the safeguards needed.
However, the need for conserving Florida's rapidly diminishing undeveloped land is so great that it's worth taking a chance on this well-motivated amendment. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 4.AMENDMENT 6: YESThis amendment, from the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission, would allow "working waterfront" businesses to be taxed on how their property is actually used instead of on its "highest and best" use. It's an attempt to keep long-standing businesses like marinas and commercial fishing facilities from being forced to leave because of high taxes.
It's a good idea. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 6.AMENDMENT 8: YESThe final amendment from the Taxation and Budget Reform Commission would allow counties to vote on levying a sales tax for the benefit of the local community college. There is no limit on how high the local sales tax could be. The amendment requires a new vote after five years if the tax is to remain in effect.
This would be a hard sell for most community colleges, but we see no reason not to allow them to make their case to local voters. Community colleges are a vital part of Florida's educational system and must not be taken for granted. The Ledger recommends a "YES" vote on Amendment 8.
This story appeared in print on page A10
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