Socialism and welfare

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Registered: 04-24-2008
Socialism and welfare
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Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:29am

Why is it a tax cut when McCain cuts taxes?

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Registered: 10-10-2007
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:05pm

You can't cut income tax on people who do not pay income tax. That's why people call Obama's "tax cuts" welfare.


There are four types of things that are relevant for the current tax debate:


- A reduction/increase in marginal tax rate rate: this is when the gov. looks at the tax brackets and says, I'm going to reduce the tax liability for this bracke by x%. This is what the Bush tax cuts were all about- he reduced people's marginal tax rates by a percentage.


- A deduction, which reduces your taxable income: this happens above the line, meaning, you take your gross earnings and subtract the deductions. From that, you get your adjusted gross income, which is what you're taxed on. So, say, the standard deduction works like this. The effect is that, depending on where you are within the tax bracket, you might go down adn pay a lower marginal tax rate.


- A tax credit: this is a below the line "deduction." It reduces your tax liability. So, let's say you owe 5,000 in taxes, and you get a 2,500 tax credit. You only have to pay 2,500.


- A refundable tax credit: this is also a below the line deduction, but you get it back even if your liability is 0. So, if you owe 0 in taxes, but get a 2,500 refundable tax credit, you get a check in the mail for 2,500 (plus whatever refund you'd get anyway).


The problem I have with Obama's tax plan is that he has TONS of refundable tax credits. Basically, this means that he's not just reducing the tax liability for people; he's giving people free money.


At the same time, he is raising the marginal rate of taxes for higher earners.


My dad explains it like this- I know it's long, but it's VERY clear.


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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:17pm

In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising

 

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Registered: 01-31-2001
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:19pm
The difference is in the source of the money. Obama's plan proposes taking from one group of citizens and giving to another group of citizens. Alaskan's dividend comes from the sale of one of their natural resources, which again, according to the constitution of Alaska, belongs to the citizens of the state. Not all citizens participate in the work needed to get the oil out of the ground, but after it is sold, we no longer own that particular barrel of oil. A tangible good is being exchanged for profit.
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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:19pm

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They are more likely to need it and spend it which will push the money back into the economy.

 

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Registered: 10-10-2007
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:20pm

That's just not true. If you just use the standard deduction, you'll see that people with 7,500 don't pay any taxes.


Taxes are so complicated. And I'm sorry, I feel like half the people on the board- on both sides of the issue- don't have enough understanding on how they actually work to make assumptions. This is why we have tax professionals.

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Registered: 10-10-2007
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:22pm

Look, that's an ideological difference. I"m fine with that way of thinking. Just call it what it is. It's not a tax cut. It's a stimulus payment, welfare, a hand-up. Whatever you want to call it. Just don't call it a tax cut, cause that's not what it is.


Obama is a genius. Seriously. I don't agree with any of his policies, but no president has ever won by saying he's going to increase taxes and increase entitlement programs. SO he's doing those exact things, but calling it a tax cut. MAGIC!

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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:32pm

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Remember the "Patriot Act"?

 

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Registered: 08-31-2008
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:36pm

The

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Registered: 08-05-2004
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 6:45pm

I love your first post in this thread.

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Registered: 05-18-2005
Tue, 10-21-2008 - 7:14pm

Just had to jump in, I just read an article in our local newspaper.

Jan

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