Socialist Obama Redistribution of Wealth

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Socialist Obama Redistribution of Wealth
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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:18am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck


At least Obama is telling us exactly what his philosophy of government actually.

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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:33pm

<<1) As I've said before, I think the progressive income tax is unfair, because it taxes different people at different rates. Personally, I believe that a flat income tax, or a flat wealth tax are both intrinisically much fairer. Because McCain's approach is flatter than Obama's, I prefer it.>>

Ok, that is fine.

<<2) The reason I take issue with Obama's plan (beyond the increasing graduation to the tax rates) is that he is proposing to take money from some people (i.e., those he is raising taxes on) and giving it to others, including those who don't pay taxes at all. Redistribution is the theft, not taxes per se.>>

I really think that is a matter of perspective and you are choosing to interpret it that way. The same perspective would tell you that the current tax system ALREADY "takes money from some people and gives it to others" (I don't think you disagree with that). So according to that perspective, neither candidate is correcting that. A different perspective is that the government needs revenue and we need to find the best system of tax rates to generate that revenue while growing the economy, which benefits EVERYONE. The candidates and their advisors have some to different conclusions about how to best do that. I feel like you are turning something that is really a very practical issue into a moral one, and that is exactly what the McCain campaign wants you to do.


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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:34pm

But who are you to determine what constitutes the "common good"? If giving a tax break to the middle class helps our economy then some would say that is a "common good". And then there are some who think that our tax dollars are being misspent in Iraq and certainly wouldn't consider that to be included as something "for the common good". Basically, "the common good" may mean something different to everyone and it is our elected officials job to determine how much to tax and how those tax dollars should be spent so that they do benefit the common good.


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Registered: 10-02-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:35pm

"Whether or not Obama favors redistribution of wealth through the courts or through the legislature, he still favors redistribution of wealth.


Steal from some to give to others..."


KAREN

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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:37pm

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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:41pm

I really think that is a matter of perspective and you are choosing to interpret it that way. The same perspective would tell you that the current tax system ALREADY "takes money from some people and gives it to others" (I don't think you disagree with that). So according to that perspective, neither candidate is correcting that.


You are correct.

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Registered: 01-12-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:43pm

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I do.>>

Do you know much about the psychology of charitable giving? I do. One of my good friends is a psychology professor at Princeton and studies charitable giving behavior. Overall, the process is incredibly irrational (as is a lot of human decision making, not just charitable giving). If it were up to charitable giving to do all the things that our government does, most of the money would be flowing toward preventing puppies from being euthanized in animal hospitals. I am exaggerating, but the basic point is that I am quite skeptical that our country would be functioning as well as it is.



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siggy aug 09
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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:48pm

"And then there are some who think that our tax dollars are being misspent in Iraq and certainly wouldn't consider that to be included as something "for the common good"."


KAREN

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Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:51pm

Do you know much about the psychology of charitable giving? I do.


Yes, actually I do.


If it were up to charitable giving to do all the things that our government does, most of the money would be flowing toward preventing puppies from being euthanized in animal hospitals. I am exaggerating, but the basic point is that I am quite skeptical that our country would be functioning as well as it is.


Pure conjecture, because you're assuming an "everything else being equal" situation, where people assume that the government is taking care of people, so they are free to spend their charitable money on saving cute little puppies.


I can equally conjecture that if we didn't have the massive structure of government programs, we would, much as we had in the 1800s, with churches, workers' societies, and charities along with local relief helping those who really are destitute.


Both of us are purely speculating...

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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:56pm

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Ok, then based on what I've been saying, the overarching moral code guiding both of these tax plans is the same: to grow the economy so that we can ALL prosper and have a better quality of life, including the top 5%. Again, you can disagree about which plan will better accomplish that, but to say that one plan is more "moral" than the other just makes no sense to me.

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Come on, we are talking about one issue: taxes. Do you really want to argue that Obama doesn't want people to take a principled stand on any of the issues? My opinion on this is that the McCain campaign is trying to convince you that Obama's plan is "immoral" because it wants your vote. I see it as manipulative and distracting people from the REAL issue of which tax plan will best stimulate the economy. This is typical political strategy and I'm not arguing that it is limited to the McCain campaign.



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siggy aug 09
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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:57pm

Tell me how it is

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