Socialist Obama Redistribution of Wealth

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Socialist Obama Redistribution of Wealth
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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:18am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck


At least Obama is telling us exactly what his philosophy of government actually.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:26pm

It wasn't meant as a zinger.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:27pm
Mom, look at the 100 plus years before The Guilded Age, and realize that the Guilded Age lasted only a little more than a decade...
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:29pm

"universal voluntary public service" is an oxymoron.


If it is universal, it is not voluntary.


If it is voluntary, it is not paid.


Obama simply wants to create an entitlement program to buy more supporters for the democrat party, using other people's money - the favorite kind of money for any congresscritter

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Registered: 09-09-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:32pm

Are the Poor Getting Poorer?

People who want more government income redistribution programs often sell their agenda with the lament, "The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer," but how about some evidence and you decide? I think the rich are getting richer, and so are the poor.

According to the most recent census, about 35 million Americans live in poverty. Heritage Foundation scholar Robert Rector, using several government reports, gives us some insights about these people in his paper: "Understanding Poverty and Economic Inequality in the United States" .

In 1971, only about 32 percent of all Americans enjoyed air conditioning in their homes. By 2001, 76 percent of poor people had air conditioning. In 1971, only 43 percent of Americans owned a color television; in 2001, 97 percent of poor people owned at least one. In 1971, 1 percent of American homes had a microwave oven; in 2001, 73 percent of poor people had one. Forty-six percent of poor households own their homes. Only about 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. The average poor American has more living space than the average non-poor individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other European cities.

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars. Seventy-eight percent of the poor have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception; and one-third have an automatic dishwasher.

For the most part, long-term poverty today is self-inflicted. To see this, let's examine some numbers from the Census Bureau's 2004 Current Population Survey. There's one segment of the black population that suffers only a 9.9 percent poverty rate, and only 13.7 percent of their under-5-year-olds are poor. There's another segment of the black population that suffers a 39.5 percent poverty rate, and 58.1 percent of its under-5-year-olds are poor.

Among whites, one population segment suffers a 6 percent poverty rate, and only 9.9 percent of its under-5-year-olds are poor. Another segment of the white population suffers a 26.4 percent poverty rate, and 52 percent of its under-5-year-olds are poor.

What do you think distinguishes the high and low poverty populations? The only statistical distinction between both the black and white populations is marriage. There is far less poverty in married-couple families, where presumably at least one of the spouses is employed. Fully 85 percent of black children living in poverty reside in a female-headed household.

Poverty is not static for people willing to work. A University of Michigan study shows that only 5 percent of those in the bottom fifth of the income distribution in 1975 remained there in 1991. What happened to them? They moved up to the top three-fifths of the income distribution -- middle class or higher. Moreover, three out of 10 of the lowest income earners in 1975 moved all the way into the top fifth of income earners by 1991. Those who were poor in 1975 had an inflation-adjusted average income gain of $27,745 by 1991. Those workers who were in the top fifth of income earners in 1975 were better off in 1991 by an average of only $4,354. The bottom line is, the richer are getting richer and the poor are getting richer.

Poverty in the United States, in an absolute sense, has virtually disappeared. Today, there's nothing remotely resembling poverty of yesteryear. However, if poverty is defined in the relative sense, the lowest fifth of income-earners, "poverty" will always be with us. No matter how poverty is defined, if I were an unborn spirit, condemned to a life of poverty, but God allowed me to choose which nation I wanted to be poor in, I'd choose the United States. Our poor must be the envy of the world's poor.

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Registered: 10-03-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:33pm

>>Then contribute to charities. Work with charities.

I do.

The issue is that it is not the government's job. It is the job of citizens as individuals to help one another. <<

As do I. And the last statement? This, my dear, is what we call an opinion. Not a fact. Just because that's how you feel doesn't make it so.

And frankly, judging by some of the frighteningly uncaring attitudes, I fear for our society if all assistance anyone can get is on the whim of other individuals.





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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:37pm

so it's only greedy when the middle class tax payers want to level the playing field and actually pay less then what they are paying now?

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Registered: 05-06-2007
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:46pm

Universal means having to do with the world in it's entirety so yes public service can be both universal and voluntary at the same time. And Obama is not paying people for their public service. A tax credit is not a paying job. But actually, volunteers can in fact be paid. Since we no longer have a draft, all of our soldiers are volunteers even though they are paid for their service.


Chrissy
mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07

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Registered: 10-03-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:51pm

>>His assistant is paid more than $100,000.<<

He was talking about his secretary, who makes $60,000: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

>>I have no trouble taxing all income - whether salary, capital gains, or dividends, at the same tax rate, so long as it is the same tax rate for everyone.<<

That is one place you and I differ. I do not mind at all paying higher taxes than people who make less than I do. On the other hand, having come from a very poor background, I have first-hand knowledge and understanding that the poorer you are, the more what you make is used for basics.





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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 2:54pm

I believe it took time before the wealth disparity grew to such proportion and to

 

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Registered: 01-15-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:03pm
But there are a lot of programs (at least here in Canada, and I suspect in the US as well) that do not benefit everyone, but people generally agree are a good idea anyhow.

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