Socialist Obama Redistribution of Wealth

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Socialist Obama Redistribution of Wealth
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Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:18am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck


At least Obama is telling us exactly what his philosophy of government actually.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:12pm

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Why do you only expect people who make over $250,000 to put country first?

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Really, neither can I.

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I don't consider 8-16% slightly more.

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Yes, and they create class warfare.

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Nobody deserves to get more back in "handouts" than they paid in taxes. Do you even understand Obama's plan?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:18pm

I love the way you parse words... Are you sure you're not related to Bill Clinton?


and I love... A tax credit is not a paying job.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:24pm

But, those programs you note - education, police protection, benefit everyone equally, regardless of their position.


As for supporting lobster fishermen, there's no reason your government, or mine, should be supporting them.

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-06-2007
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:27pm

Umm...the government already gives tax credits. Are they paying jobs? Should I consider McCain's health tax

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iVillage Member
Registered: 02-24-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:30pm

"When the government spends on the common good - i.e., not for the benefit of an individual, that is a legitimate function of government. When it is taking money from Citizen "A" to give to Citizen "B", that is theft."

But if 95% of people are benefiting, isn't that the common good?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:43pm

Let me pose a couple hypothetical for you...


Hyperbole, but to prove a point.


Let's say that 95% of the people will benefit from enslaving the other 5%.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:46pm

We agree corporate welfare or subsidies are not a good business for government to get involved in, however, social programs

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-24-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 4:06pm

If one of the legitimate roles of government is defense, what do you think about the spending that has been done on the Iraq war? Did you consider the war a matter of national defense to benefit the public good? Are you okay with a lot of the money going to private contractors (who did not have to bid for contracts)? Are you okay with the amount of debt we have accrued as a result of the war? Do you think the citizens of this country are now obliged to pay that debt? How do you think that will happen without taxes and without progressive taxes specifically?

I am genuinely interested in your take on it.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-07-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 4:33pm

The rich ones that made out did so because of the debacle of Fannie and Freddie and the following bad loan bundles.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-24-2008
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 4:38pm

"Let's say that 95% of the people will benefit from enslaving the other 5%. Isn't that the "common good"?
Let's say there's a rare disease. It is 100% fatal, but can be prevented by a serum. Unfortunately, this serum can only be created by killing roughly 1% of the population who already have the antibodies. Do the 99% have the right to kill them?
When you take money, or property or life from someone to directly benefit someone else, that is not the common good."

So first, and we may differ on this, I cannot equate slavery and killing to taxes. I know you are making a point but the comparison doesn't resonate. Besides the fact that taxation does not literally deprive people of their physical freedom or health, as some others have pointed out, there is an immediate benefit to 95% of people and a more latent benefit to the other 5% through stimulation of the economy (or so the theory goes).

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