Strippers, Gambling Near Ground Zero

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Thu, 08-19-2010 - 9:37pm


For Strippers Near Ground Zero, It’s Business as Usual Amid Mosque Uproar






By Andrew Grossman



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New York Dolls, one of two strip clubs located within blocks of the World Trade Center site.

After the World Trade Center towers fell, a stripper named Chris went to volunteer in the recovery effort for the Red Cross.

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Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Thu, 08-19-2010 - 11:28pm

I am unaware also and have NO idea what you're talking about. The more recent claim of the anti-mosque crowd is that it is disrespectful to the 9-11 survivors/families for a mosque to be so close to ground zero. People praying can't be any more disrespectful than lap dances, porn, and gambling.

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Thu, 08-19-2010 - 11:32pm

The thing is that this controversy might make it more difficult to fund raise here in the USA, so the imam might have to get money from overseas. Maybe it will be exclusively foreign funded. Or, maybe there won't be enough money to build at all. Now, wouldn't that make people happy?

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Fri, 08-20-2010 - 5:20am
Absolutely what I was going to say.


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Fri, 08-20-2010 - 5:23am

Indirectly it is related to the Muslim extremists that caused 9/11.


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Fri, 08-20-2010 - 7:27am

How is it indirectly related to Muslim extremists? Do you have proof, direct or indirect, they have a different mission than the one they state? If so, share please?

http://www.park51.org/mission.htm
Mission
New York deserves its reputation as a peerless center of arts, culture and ideas. Park51 honors and furthers that tradition, envisioning a community center for all of us, bringing the best of the world to New York City, and New York City’s energy, diversity and aspirations to the world. Park51 will become a model for future institutions, with its inclusive focus, outstanding facilities and dedication to social needs. To realize this mission, Park51 will:

* Uphold respect for the diversity of expression and ideas between all people
* Cultivate and embrace neighborly relations between all New Yorkers, fostering a spirit of civic participation and an awareness of common needs and opportunities
* Encourage open discussion and dialogue on issues of relevance to New Yorkers, Americans and the international reality of our interconnected planet
* Revive the historic Muslim tradition of education, engagement and service, becoming a resource for empowerment and advancement
* Connect New York’s communities to global ideas and trends
* Commit to social justice, dignified human development and spiritual growth for all
* Pursue the development of American Muslim identities, engaging New York’s many and diverse Muslim communities and promoting empowerment and compassion for all
* Build partnerships and relationships with key actors and institutions who share our values, to address shared needs and solve common problems
* Establish a state-of-the-art green facility that will serve as a model and inspiration for sustainable space, helping to advance sustainable living in urban contexts
* Empower our communities with the skills and knowledge they need to advance in their various life stages
* Provide financial assistance for those in need, offering subsidies for our programming and scholarships to reach new audiences and further our vision

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Fri, 08-20-2010 - 7:31am

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/will_controversy_make_it_impos.html






Maggie Haberman and Ben Smith report today for Politico that the project is far behind schedule in fundraising terms:



The Cordoba Initiative hasn't yet begun fundraising for its $100 million goal. The group's latest fundraising report with the state attorney general's office, from 2008, shows exactly $18,255 -- not enough even for a down payment on the half of the site the group has yet to purchase.

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Fri, 08-20-2010 - 7:47am

This is the point of the OP.

http://ww2.cox.com/myconnection/lasvegas/today/news/national/article.cox?articleId=D9HN61F00&moduleType=apNews

<>Jim Riches, a former FDNY deputy chief whose son, Jimmy, was killed at the trade center, believes the dispute has nothing to do with religious freedom. "We're not telling them not to practice their religion. ... It's about location, location, location," he said, asking why the mosque couldn't be built further away from the land that he still considers a cemetery. "It's disrespectful. You wouldn't put a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor.">>

I understand his grief, but that's just not rational. It's not a cemetery and if he truly thinks that building is a cemetery, then I'm shocked that he hasn't tried to shut down all those other businesses that are in the cemetery. No, the only reason it is a problem is because these are Muslims too close (how far is far enough away?) to where his son died.

What about this lady who lost her son that day, too. Where is the sensitivity for her? Looks like she gets a double whammy.

<>When her EMT son went missing in the days after 9/11, Talat Hamdani traveled to Mecca to pray that he was safe _ hoping authorities could have thought him a suspect because of his Muslim background and detained him.

When they returned part of his body to her _ his lower half shattered into 34 pieces _ it was a final proof he had been killed at the World Trade Center.

Her son Salman's killing was indiscriminate, but now, as Americans take sides over plans to build an Islamic cultural center blocks from ground zero, Hamdani says that Muslims are being targeted _ and it feels personal.

"Why are we paying the price? Why are we being ostracized? Our loved ones died," she said at her Lake Grove, N.Y., home. "America was founded on the grounds of religious freedom," and opposition to the cultural center "is un-American. It's unethical. And it is wrong.">>

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Registered: 12-20-2009
Fri, 08-20-2010 - 7:54am

What misinformation? Are you an expert on SHaria law, what Muslims think of the name Cordoba, where foreign funding may be coming from, or why it must be in this location and this location only?

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Registered: 12-20-2009
Fri, 08-20-2010 - 7:57am

Well, gambling and strip joints have historically been associated with organized crime which is a significant threat to society.


Once again, the US was attacked in the name of Islam.

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Fri, 08-20-2010 - 7:59am

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What does Sharia law have to do with anything? We don't have Sharia law in the U.S. It doesn't matter what some Muslims may think about the name Cordoba. We aren't conquered and they aren't victorious, so it's a moot point. There is absolutely no evidence that the funding will be coming from terrorists/extremists, none. On top of that, the U.S. seems to be very on top of watching the money coming from said groups.

It wasn't a problem until Geller started screaming and throwing out all these "concerns" for people to get outraged about.