Thoughts on Paul Ryan?

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Thoughts on Paul Ryan?
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Mon, 08-13-2012 - 9:54am

I'm kind of new to iVillage, so I hope I'm posting in the right place!

I was just wondering what you think about Romney's VP choice.  I don't know a lot about Paul Ryan, so I don't have much of an opinion yet. 

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Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 2:33pm

 "............why the footdragging on posting such?"

I told you several times where the info could be found. After you continued to repeatedly ask the same question, I posted the link to "60 minutes". Why are you still asking me about it?

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Thu, 08-16-2012 - 3:07pm
If there are cuts to Medicare, it is due to cost savings, not taking care and money away from seniors. It's amazing how what the CBO says can be twisted by the right to mean the exact opposite of what they actually said. The CBO said that if Obamacare is repealed, it will cost $711 billion. Google "cbo letter to boehner" and the first thing that pops up is the PDF. For some reason, I can't actually copy a link for these PDFs. Sorry about that.

*Note, I can't view videos right now because I'm working out of a hotel room until the end of the month and didn't bring the speakers for my computer.
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Registered: 05-03-2011
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 3:22pm
cshell_sonny wrote:

I found Biden's remarks yesterday, in my home state of Virginia  to be racist. When one of the top leaders of the democratic party uses that kind of racist rhetoric on the stump, then it only stands to reason that those who support him, his ticket and his party may hold similar views. It's brought up regularly by many on the left because it's at the core of what they think and believe. Racist thoughts and excuses don't jump to the forefront of the minds of those who aren't thinking about it or measuring others using a color prism. (at least that's been my experience)

 

ETA: Now watch..you'll see those on the left with similar thoughts/views as those portrayed by Biden try to excuse the racist remarks away rather than just call him out for making them.

This says it perfectly:  http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40758_The_Right_Wings_Phony_Freak-Out_Over_Joe_Bidens_Chains_Remark/comments/#ctop

The Right Wing’s Phony Freak-Out Over Joe Biden’s ‘Chains’ Remark
Intellectual dishonesty about racism
Wingnuts • Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 11:18 am PDT • Views: 1,454

"The unison chorus of right wing fake outrage over Vice President Joe Biden’s remark that the GOP and Wall Street want to put people “back in chains” is a perfect example of one of the most dishonest “frame flipping” tactics of the right.

First, it’s amazingly obvious that this phony umbrage is intended to divert attention away from the fact that Mitt Romney continues to conceal his financial records.

But more importantly, the people screaming the loudest that Biden’s remark was “racist” (a ludicrous and stupid claim) are the very ones who constantly deny and make excuses for the prevalence of outright, ugly, old-fashioned racism on the right and in the Republican Party.

This tactic of focusing solely on the words and ignoring the intent is an intellectually dishonest diversion, a grown up version of “I’m rubber, you’re glue,” with just as much substance. It’s designed to muddy the waters and draw a false sense of equivalence between the right and the left.

I’m not denying that there are people with racist views on both right and left — but only one side has a systemic, endemic problem with racism, and only one side continually panders to the racist elements of their base, and it’s not the Democratic Party."

 

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Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 3:43pm

It's not just those on the right who interpreted Biden's remarks as racist. Like I posted earlier, Doug Wilder an African American democrat governor from Virginia ( whose grandparents were slaves) found the remark offensive and racist. I find it  hypocritical that democrats, led by the White House, who often accuse others of using racist "code words", excuse this away, as nothing more than another Biden gaff. IMHO  Governor Wilder gets to be the "expert" on this one.

 

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Registered: 05-03-2011
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 3:55pm

Wilder seems to think that Biden is joking, too, so it seems that Wilder is just looking to get his knickers in a twist about something that wasn't actually said (in the way he thinks it was said). Rational people are able to understand context, something that seems to be sorely lacking lately.

Oh, and by the way, I'd defend any Republican who said the exact same that Biden did because it very clearly wasn't racist based on the context. 

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Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 4:35pm

I'm not sure that any of us can understand the prospective of the grandson of slaves. I prefer to err on the side of sensitivity. I agree that Biden has the right to say it, but the truth is that it was racially offensive because many have come forward to say so. Whether or not he meant it to be perceived in a racist manner, doesn't excuse the fact that his comment was insensitive. If Paul Ryan had said the same thing, the outcry from the media and the left would be deafening, but that's just more of that media bias we were talking about earlier in this thread.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.

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Registered: 05-03-2011
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 4:51pm
The only people I've seen who claim it is racially offensive are conservatives and a couple of Democrats. What's really interesting is all the concern that is suddenly being shown by conservatives about being racially sensitive when they fail to call out anyone on the right who makes blatant racially offensive statements, jokes, etc. In the context of what Biden said, it was apparent to just about everyone that it was not a racial remark.

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 5:53pm

Got it. You're not responsible for backing your claims other than to "say where the info can be found". One wonders if that standard is equally applicable to liberals like me. Am guessing that it is not. Quelle surprise......

BTW, you undermine your own credibility and case; both by failing to provide proof and by avoiding/deflecting away from what are  quite straight-forward questions. 

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Registered: 01-21-2006
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 6:41pm

It seems that you are determined to make this thread about me, instead of the topic being discussed.

Like I have answered six times previously, it seemed simple enough to me, for anyone who wanted to see the 60 minutes interview to simply Google it. I didn't think that I needed to insult the intelligence of those reading and posting by taking up space linking to readily available information. On three accounts I posted where it could be found. Frankly, as a mother of four, I don't have time to copy and paste information that is easily obtainable.

Of course I would apply the same standard to you. If you are quoting info from a well known source like Face the Nation, 60 minutes, This week with,,,,, etc, I'd either take you at your word or look it up myself. I most likely would just take you at your word, as I don't think you'd post something and claim it to be from their news outlet, if it's not. However, if I did have a question about it, I'd simply look it up. This is a debate board, not a term paper for graduate school. Posters don't need five sources to state their opinion.  I would expect someone to supply a link to obscure sources or those out of the realm of "main stream".

Feel free to attack my credibility, if you must. It doesn't concern me. I hope that his explanation will finally allow you to move on.........

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Registered: 05-13-2009
Thu, 08-16-2012 - 9:55pm

Biden's remark was ham-handed, but specifically about Wall Street not slavery.

I found Romney's spokeman's 'Anglo-Saxon' remarks slightly offensive and his own Jewish culture as superior to Palestinians as deeply offensive.

I got over both an moved on to the next issues. Fuaxrage has a very limited lifecycle.

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