The truth about the lies

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Sat, 10-11-2008 - 11:25pm

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html


"He Lied" About Bill Ayers?

October 10, 2008

McCain cranks out some false and misleading attacks on Obama's connection to a 1960s radical.

Chrissy
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Sun, 10-12-2008 - 11:55am

>>Factcheck is owned by Annenberg. <<

Perhaps you should "check" your "facts".

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Sun, 10-12-2008 - 12:03pm

>>If this is bogus, and you know this, then what is the truth? If McCain knows these statements to be false, then what would he assert to be the truth? <<

I think the left leaning Huffington Post does a great job of explaining this phenomenon, they call it the Neil Armstrong Principle:

>>If John McCain and Sarah Palin were to say the moon was made of green cheese, we can be certain that Barack Obama and Joe Biden would pounce on it, and point out it's actually made of rock. And you just know the headline in the paper the next day would read: "CANDIDATES CLASH ON LUNAR LANDSCAPE."

Why doesn't somebody call Neil Armstrong? He's been there. Or go to the Smithsonian and open the glass case that contains a piece of the moon. The moon is a rock. That's a fact, Jack.

Facts are indeed stubborn things, but the McCain-Palin lies are more stubborn still. <<

~ Paul Begala

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Sun, 10-12-2008 - 1:54pm

Sorry to quote you wrong from "far left" when it was left.

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Sun, 10-12-2008 - 4:38pm
His initials are BO and he is a man. Maybe he should get a sex change operation?
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Sun, 10-12-2008 - 5:36pm
Don't feed the trolls.

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Sun, 10-12-2008 - 6:06pm

Re-read the post clearly explaining why Annenberg is different than Annenberg Challenge...

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Sun, 10-12-2008 - 7:29pm

Actually, I think it was your earlier post that explained to me that the Annenburg Challenge was a Chicago thing funded by the Annenburg Foundation. The Annenburg Foundation also funds Factcheck. It doesn't "own" it as the other poster asserted. The Annenburg Challenge and Factcheck are philosophically unrelated.

Additionally, after reading your post, I read elsewhere that the Annenburg Foundation was founded by Walter Annenburg who did in fact has ties to both Reagan and Nixon. So if the Annenburg Foundation had a bias, it would more likely be to the right.

The fact that the Annenburg Foundation gave money to Factcheck, in theory, should make conservatives feel safer.

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Sun, 10-12-2008 - 7:35pm

"The fact that the Annenburg Foundation gave money to Factcheck, in theory, should make conservatives feel safer."

You'd think so but because it disagrees with them often they find it leftist and not credible.


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Registered: 08-17-2005
Sun, 10-12-2008 - 8:09pm

"First, keep in mind: Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.
(FACTCHECK.ORG owned by Annenberg )


William (Bill) Ayers, unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist and a friend of the Obamas, was instrumental in founding the Challenge, thanks to his ties to Mayor Richard Daley. The first Daley was also a pal of Thomas Ayers, Bill’s father, former CEO of ComEd (owned by Exelon).



Factcheck.org, used as a resource by so many who wish to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama, is also a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.


You’ll recall that Factcheck was the second site to publish the now-suspect Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) reportedly received from the Obama campaign.



Second, keep in mind that ACORN has received payments of nearly a million dollars from the Barack Obama Campaign in 2008, as NancyA reported on this blog Aug. 15. Apparently the payments were funneled through Citizens Services Inc., and may have been falsely reported to the FEC.


The Senator has been working with ACORN since his first days as a Community Organizer in Chicago:


“In 1992, Acorn Hired Mr. Obama To Run A Voter Registration Effort. He Later Became A Trainer For The Group, As Well As Its Lawyer In Election Law Cases.” (John Fund, Op-Ed, “Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops,” “The Wall Street Journal”, 7/12/08 )


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“Representing ACORN, Obama And Other Attorneys Sued The State Of Illinois, Forcing It To Implement Federal “Motor Voter” Legislation That Makes It Easier For The Poor And Minorities To Register To Vote.” (”Some Cases Obama Worked On In His Career As An Attorney,” “The Associated Press”, 2/20/07). Hence again impartiality is not possible.


More Press Quotes on ACORN:


ACORN Used “In Your Face” Tactics Like Disrupting Hearings, Bursting Into City Council Meetings, And Protesting Mayor’s Homes. (Stanley Kurtz, Op-Ed, “Inside Obama’s Acorn,” “National Review”, 5/29/08 )


“ACORN Has Been Accused Of Voter Fraud In 13 StatesSince 2004 And Was Convicted Of Falsifying Signatures In A Voter Registration Drive Last July, Drawing A Fine Of $25,000 In Washington State.” (Editorial, “George Soros: The Man, The Mind And The Money Behind MoveOn,” “Investor’s Business Daily”, 9/21/07)


“ACORN Has Been Implicated In Similar Schemes In 14 Other States - Including Ohio, Where A Worker Traded Crack Cocaine For Fraudulent Registrations.” (Editorial, “Another ACORN Scandal,” “New York Post”, 7/13/08 )



Meanwhile, keep in mind: ACORN has been a beneficiary of grants from the Chicago-based Woods Fund, which has a history of issuing controversial grants. Ayres and Obama served together on the Fund’s board (and are still listed).


Conclusions


Are you starting to see the potential connections and conflicts of interest? Here’s what we see:


1. Potential conflict of interest between Obama and anything funded by the Annenbergs, including Factcheck.org.


2. Obvious conflict of interest between Obama and ACORN: He has been directly involved in funding ACORN, has worked for ACORN, and is now PAYING ACORN in exchange for assistance to his campaign.


3. What kind of assistance is ACORN providing the campaign? When we read about ACORN’s expertise in “voter fraud” and “in-your-face” tactics, it instantly reminded us of Obama’s caucus fraud tricks (see Wednesday’s story).


4. Is there a direct connection between the Annenberg Foundation and ACORN, or are they just three degrees of separation apart, with Ayres and Obama smack in the middle? We are curious about that. "


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Registered: 05-06-2007
Sun, 10-12-2008 - 10:14pm

When posting information, could you please identify your source(s)? It often seems like sources provided by Obama supporters are deemed as not "credible" even when they are non-partisan, however, many McCain supporters post information from conservative sources or don't

Chrissy
mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07