VP Debate: How much impact?

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VP Debate: How much impact?
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Tue, 10-05-2004 - 8:10pm
Who's watching Cheney and Edwards tonight, and does this debate have any impact on the big picture?

Carrie


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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 10:07am
I think it's interesting how often conservatives will take a statement and stretch it into some completely different meaning than what was intended. For example: I said that it would be worthwhile to consult with the UN. You said that I want to put our nations' security in their hands. How can you justify taking a statement and making it into something else entirely?

For the record, what I MEANT when I said that the UN shold be consulted/involved (and I think JK means much the same thing) is that we should *discuss* the issues with them and gather ideas and input from different sources. Then we take those ideas and input and decide if it helps us make a better decision or not. Consulting with other people is NOT the same thing as giving away your decision making power.

I'll give you an example. I have my own business and frequently run business decisions past my DH. He often disagrees with me, but he has a totally different way of seeing things that is still helpful. Then, I take what *works* from those discussions and make my decisions. Sometimes I implement his thoughts into my course of action, sometimes I don't. But for me, there is value is discussing problems and issues and getting other points of view. I guess that's why I like debating too. It's a process whereby you can gather other viewpoints and compare them and see if they resonate for you or not. It's when things descend into personal attacks and such that it becomes distasteful. I'm sorry if you were offended that I offered up the correct spelling of "hiney" - I thought you may want to spell it correctly when somebody actually gets theirs kicked.

Edited to add: And YES I think John Kerry will be honest. I think it's a given that Bush is dishonest which is why I would never vote for him.


Edited 10/6/2004 10:09 am ET ET by mom2noodles

Carrie, Mom of Alex & Anna

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 10:50am

For the record, what I MEANT when I said that the UN shold be consulted/involved (and I think JK means much the same thing) is that we should *discuss* the issues with them and gather ideas and input from different sources. Then we take those ideas and input and decide if it helps us make a better decision or not. Consulting with other people is NOT the same thing as giving away your decision making power.

We did that already.

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 3:18pm
Why do you think it worthwhile to consult the UN given they cannot uphold their own resolutions? I think you misunderstood my point. I wasn't trying to suggest that consulting the UN is solely what you want to do I was merely addressing that aspect of your plan.

Kerry said his decisions would have to pass a global test, maybe you can tell us what that means, since he hasn't been able to answer that question. I hope it doesn't mean consulting his magic 8 ball....;-) The President did in fact with other people and he decided differently than they did. I have to wonder if Kerry would have the courage to go against the grain to do what he thinks is best for our country.

Actually, I wasn't in the least bit offended that you offered up the correct spelling of "hiney". I am sorry though, you lost me on the personal attack point.

You think any politician is 100% honest.....okay then.~Lisa

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 3:35pm
"I have to wonder if Kerry would have the courage to go against the grain to do what he thinks is best for our country." See, that's a problem. I don't think Bush was 'going against the grain' out of concern for the country. This was an idea he came into office with. It was discussed in the beginning of his presidency. I think this has pi** all to do with protecting our country but once 9/11 happened, he had an excuse.

KJ

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 3:52pm

What idea are you talking about?

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 5:05pm

Frankly I think he was quite clear last night.

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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 5:42pm
Just for kicks I looked at the website and got exactly the same picture(or lack of a picture) of the Kerry/Edwards plan. Here is a sample from their website:"Launch a new era of alliances for a post 9-11 world, to restore America's place in the world and make us safer." Another example...."John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan." The strangely absent part of their mission statements is HOW they plan to implement these so called strategies. Anyone can make a mission statement sound wonderful, but without the "HOW" behind it, it's not worth the paper it's written on.~Lisa

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