WCC -God has no place in U.S Politics...

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WCC -God has no place in U.S Politics...
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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 10:13am
found this article, what are your thoughts??

Published on Thursday, November 4, 2004 by Reuters

Council of Churches: God Has No Place in U.S. Politics





GENEVA - God has no place in politics and should not have been used by churches in the United States to influence the presidential election, a council representing 342 Christian groups around the world said.



The World Council of Churches (WCC) told U.S. member churches in a letter that they should not ask whose side God was on in an election but only offer "a moral and spiritual compass for their community, their nation and the world."

The letter by WCC General Secretary Rev. Samuel Kobia chided some U.S. churches for presenting God in partisan terms.

It was released late on Wednesday.

Preachers in some U.S. churches, mostly among conservative evangelical Protestants but also some Catholics, made clear during the campaign that they preferred President Bush over his Democratic challenger Senator John Kerry.

U.S. experts said that Bush's Republican Party had made an unprecedented effort to court church-going voters and that some churches had played a new role in the election by closely twinning politics and religion.

And analysts of the vote said Bush built his election win on a coalition of older, white, church goers in a race where voters were more likely to cite "morality" as their top concern rather than war on terror.

Kobia said many people around the world had watched in recent months "with great interest how churches shape a powerful nation's stance toward the world.

"The harsh claims that make most of the headlines, that invoked the judgment of a partisan God, have provoked deep concern around the world," he wrote.

"We do not ask whose side God was on in this election. Rather, like Abraham Lincoln when he confronted a divisive war, we seek to be found on God's side."

The Geneva-based WCC joins 342 churches from 120 countries in all Christian traditions but the Roman Catholic Church.

It took no stand on the U.S. candidates, both of whom stressed their Christian faith to voters, and wished the United States "God's grace and peace."


© Copyright 2004 Reuters Ltd



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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 10:23am

It's just as manipulative and uncalled for to have a church

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 10:34am
I certainly think it would be wierd for a church (by that I mean a head or heads of a church body) to endorse a candidate, and for a head of a specific church (by that i mean a community church) to be not great. I think it would be appropriate for a church to issue statements based on the doctrine of the church about particular issues so that members of that church would have that information at their disposal, should they choose to use it.

I think some people want to be told who to vote for, others want to determine that on their own. I don't like the idea of a church body declaring their endorsement of a candidate because then people may feel guilted into voting for that person. On the other hand, it would be helpful if the church made its stance on particular issues known so that people can reflect and make that choice on their own after weighing the issues against eachother.

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I guess the WCC's point is that when a church leader comes out in favor of a particular candidate, it will influence some of the people in that church. I can see their point, it is obvious.

But then we do have freedom of speech.

I personally think it is in bad taste for a church leader/preacher/minister to endorse a particular candidate, but I have mind enough to make a decision for myself.

KathyB

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 10:48am
"I personally think it is in bad taste for a church leader/preacher/minister to endorse a particular candidate, but I have mind enough to make a decision for myself."

Yes YOU do and I'm sure everyone here is of that mindset but sadly there are many who follow what their church tells them to, be it devotion to thier religion/church or fear/guilt if they don't...I don't know but it's sad. I wish I could remember the specifics but in Alabama there was a case where a Methodist Minister was fighting this very issue against a local politician. The Minister took great offense at this politician using religion to campaign on.

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 11:50am
I agree that church leaders are entitled to support a particular candidate, but IMO, it crosses the line when they are using the pulpit to endorse the candidate of their choice. Churches providing guidelines to show how the church stands on issues makes sense.

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This is something that goes both ways, and I personally would rather see people following what their church tells them to than what Cameron Diaz tells them to. I agree with you, it's sad that people will blindly follow anyone without thinking for themselves.

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 12:16pm
Yep, good point. I think there are some good Americans in Hollywood who truly care for the causes they support and we need to see that and allow them to have thier say and not just discount them becuase they are entertainers. But you are correct, we idolize Entertainers and for what? they are LUCKY, darn lucky that they have that job. Many have no more talent then most acters but they were in the right place at the right time (P.S I used to be a talent agent) with the right look etc... The Paris Hilton's of the world make me throw up my hands in disgust and wonder what the heck is wrong with us that we act like this girl has made any contribution other then being rich and in hollywood. The whole business is schmarmy(sp) and that is why I no longer work in it.
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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 12:49pm

Well I most likely will have a different view ....... and fully expect to be flamed for it *shrug*


A church for many is similar to a school, it's not just for the purpose of worshipping and fellowship, it's a place to discuss the bible, God (speaking of my own religion now)

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 12:54pm
I was very put off by Oprah's show a couple of months ago. She portrayed it as a show to encourage young people to vote, but she only had celebrities on the show that were against Bush. Although they didn't ever mention a candidate by name, it was obvious that they had an agenda. I found this article about PDiddy and thought it was really interesting. He talks about what a learning curve this election process was for him, and I think that includes the realization that he lost credibility because of the way he presented his "Vote or Die" campaign.

<<"I was a little reckless with my comments, to be honest," Diddy said on Tuesday (November 2). "I realized I relinquished my power too early after I educated myself. I shouldn't have said that until I felt that there was somebody that could be better for my people. ... I learned a lot in this process. I learned that my power could be used better. Instead of attacking Bush, it would be better to light a flame under young Americans and let them make the decisions.">>

I think it will be interesting to see what he does in the future. In watching the Oprah show, I could see that he was honestly excited and committed to getting young people to vote, to show them that they had a voice, and that they should use it. I hope he continues that message.


http://www.mtv.com/chooseorlose/headlines/news.jhtml?id=1493383

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 1:02pm
yep. Hollywood has done the democratic party a great disservice.
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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 1:05pm
I agree with you that a Church's responsibility to teach what is expected of its followers, so I am not flaming you at all. Just have a couple of questions.

Do you think it is appropriate for the leader of a church to endorse a specific candidate, and if you do, do you think it is right for them to do that as part of their "Sunday Service" (I couldn't think of a better term)?

If a church does choose to endorse a particular candidate, do you think they should lose their tax exempt status?

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 1:14pm

Well let me tell you how our preacher does it during his sermons-- he will discuss politics in a way of bringing up ISSUES that he feels pertains to us , how issues have affected us as Americans, as Christians and simply tell us in his opinion we need to be careful how we vote and pay attention to what the candidates are *for*.

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