Is Clinging to Religion and Politics holding us back!?

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Is Clinging to Religion and Politics holding us back!?
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Wed, 03-13-2013 - 12:36pm

We all know that having leaders, being devoted to our God and being organized are very beneficial... on paper! But do these things keep us living in an obsolete past? I mean we are still telling our kids about santa for petes sake! I think it is our fear of change that will ineveitably be our downfall! Adapt or Die! Now I know better than to outright attack anyones beliefs but, dont you think its a bit selfish? You are pretending your self importance outweights our need for empathy and compassion for other "cultures" I have seen it everywhere christans against athiests (and vice versa), muslims against jews... and on and on! I may not be the most educated person but I can still put things in an honest perspective! Before you get defensive really think... Does what you care about really matter in the end (I know you think it does) but that is because you don't care as long as you are protected! Anyways If you could read everything I have posted (Which has been Deleted.. jerks) You would see that I am truly longing for us to wake up out of this dream of "self"! I am a revolutionist and an idealist at heart. Our government and religions are designed to stop revolutions in there tracks! The people in power fear us more than we fear terrorism! (Terrorism wouldn't exist if we actually cared about the wellfare of others) Politics is the "Reality" TV that we are addicted to and just the resources from campaigning could take care of alot of the mess we even have in our own country... let alone the rest of the world! I know you see my point.. and I know you will quickly disregard it because it threatens your journey to "Heaven" all I can say is that If there is a hell... I will see you there! By the way ever notice how jesus wants you to sell everything you have... hate your mother and father, drink blood and eat flesh, follow the 900 something laws of the pharoses, John 3:16 is the only one you could muster!!! Shame on you!!!!

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Registered: 10-17-2012

We all know that having leaders, being devoted to our God and being organized are very beneficial... on paper!

Not so on paper, but in the hearts and everyday lives of the billions of people who hear God'a word.

But do these things keep us living in an obsolete past?

I find your description of religious beliefs as "obsolete" to be ridiculous.  The teachings of God are as relevant to our everyday lives today as they were thousands of years ago...perhaps moreso, because of the constant immoral assault from the left.

I mean we are still telling our kids about santa for petes sake!

We tell our children about Santa so that our children have some fantasy in their lives, not to promote a political ideology.  Show me a parent who's children no longer believe in Santa, and I'll show you a parent who laments the loss of their child's innocence.

I think it is our fear of change that will ineveitably be our downfall! Adapt or Die!

Change, as in morph and accept any belief or lack or morality that will ultimately give you political power?  Accepting all values simply means you have no values or put no "value" in your values.  What empty lives do liberals lead that are bereft of morality.

Now I know better than to outright attack anyones beliefs but, dont you think its a bit selfish?

And yet you do just that.  You diminish and devalue other's beliefs in favor for what?  A society with non-beliefs only does what you do...diminish and trample the beliefs and morality of others to suit your own twisted purpose.

You are pretending your self importance outweights our need for empathy and compassion for other "cultures" I have seen it everywhere christans against athiests (and vice versa), muslims against jews... and on and on! I may not be the most educated person but I can still put things in an honest perspective!

I think I might need a bath to wash off all that hypocrisy.  Your "education" notwithstanding, when you talk about "empathy"  you should check your own doorstop.  What Muslim or Atheist group do you see in the wastes of Africa or some other desolate country giving aid and charity besides the Christians?  Is it a surprise that "believers" give EXPONENTIALLY more to charity than atheists or liberals?  Not to anyone who knows liberals or atheists.  An "honest perspective" indeed.

Before you get defensive really think... Does what you care about really matter in the end (I know you think it does) but that is because you don't care as long as you are protected!

What a completely ridiculous statement.  "Does the TRUTH matter."   Er...um...no, guess not.  What a mentality.

Anyways If you could read everything I have posted (Which has been Deleted.. jerks) You would see that I am truly longing for us to wake up out of this dream of "self"! I am a revolutionist and an idealist at heart.

If by "idealist" you mean completely uninformed with no appreciable values or code of morality, then bully for you and your Utopian anything-goes-anarchist-nightmare.  Please establish your immoral commune far, far from our doorstop.

Our government and religions are designed to stop revolutions in there tracks!

Then people like you would be dead and never be able to post your "interesting" philosophy"...and yet, here you are.

The people in power fear us more than we fear terrorism! (Terrorism wouldn't exist if we actually cared about the wellfare of others)

People in power don't fear radicals, they just pander to you long enough to get your vote, and then they ignore you.  As for terrorism, it exists because of the hate you are displaying, not because someone else doesn't give the terrorist a big hug.  Terrorism is a political tactic used to "persuade" people to abandon their beliefs and do what scumbags tell them to to ensure the safety of their families and themselves.

Politics is the "Reality" TV that we are addicted to and just the resources from campaigning could take care of alot of the mess we even have in our own country... let alone the rest of the world! I know you see my point..

Politics is reality TV just as the news is reality TV...but it's not "reality TV" in your perceptions of "reality TV."  It is our leaders, or potential leaders, letting us know how they will govern.  What could be more important that that?

and I know you will quickly disregard it because it threatens your journey to "Heaven" all I can say is that If there is a hell... I will see you there!

That's a sad commentary in your perception of your own life.  For myself, I think I've lived a good life (or at least I've tried), and by any measure, I think I'll meet Jesus in Heaven.  I've also tried to instill these values in my children.  As for your judgment, I hope it isn't eternal damnation...it really isn't a bumpersticker.

By the way ever notice how jesus wants you to sell everything you have...

Not true...Jesus wants his followers to disavow "wordly possessions" in favor of a spiritual perspective.

hate your mother and father,

The Bible says to HONOR thy mother and father...in contrast to liberal beliefs.

drink blood and eat flesh,

To become one with Christ...as opposed to the liberal doctrine, of "me first"...the cult of "me."

follow the 900 something laws of the pharoses, John 3:16 is the only one you could muster!!! Shame on you!!!!

Care to take a look at your own municipal code?  Let alone your state laws or, Heaven forbid, the Federal laws?  900 laws would look like a pebble at the foot of a mountain.  Pretty pathetic.

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Registered: 12-20-2003

<<the constant immoral assault from the left>>

What assault is that?

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Registered: 12-20-2003

<<What Muslim or Atheist group do you see in the wastes of Africa or some other desolate country giving aid and charity besides the Christians?>>

Ever hear of the largest charity in the world?  The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?  (Bill is an atheist, Melinda is Catholic, and one of the biggest donors to the Foundation is atheist Warren Buffet).  The group is on its way to eradicating polio on the planet, with no hooks attached.  They are also starting to work on eliminating malaria.

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is a secular charity.

The secular World Health Organization eradicated small pox on the planet.

Many Christian charities do good work with those in need, but they often apply pressure to join their religion.  There is a group now known as ChildFund (you have seen the commercials), they used to be known as Christian Child Fund (originally they were China Child Fund, and was founded by a Presbyterian minister, but changed the name after they spread out from China, but kept the initials of CCF).  A few years ago they dropped the "Christian" from the name because of complaints that they were not pushing religion on the people they were helping. (http://www.ministrywatch.com/pdf/mwda_042704_ccf.pdf)

 

<< Not to anyone who knows liberals or atheists.>>

Obvious you don't know many, if you did you would not go around making up such uninformed lies.

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Registered: 12-20-2003

<<What empty lives do liberals lead that are bereft of morality>>

I do not have an empty life, nor am I bereft of morality.  Why do you go around spreading such lies about others?

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Registered: 12-20-2003

<<as opposed to the liberal doctrine, of "me first"...the cult of "me.">>

That is the Conservative Doctrine.

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Registered: 10-17-2012

What assault is that?


Besides the general anti-Christian attacks from the left, the country also suffers from the daily influence of immorality, lack of values and promotion of mediocrity inherent in the liberal ideology.

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Registered: 10-17-2012

I do not have an empty life, nor am I bereft of morality.  Why do you go around spreading such lies about others?

I answer the questions posed and the positions raised in the context in which I percieve them.  If I have misconstrued, please clarify.

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Registered: 10-17-2012

Ever hear of the largest charity in the world?  The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?  (Bill is an atheist, Melinda is Catholic, and one of the biggest donors to the Foundation is atheist Warren Buffet).  The group is on its way to eradicating polio on the planet, with no hooks attached.  They are also starting to work on eliminating malaria.

One can hardly offer anything but praise for the good work the Gates Foundation is doing, but to be fair...the top three largest charities are the United Way, the Salvation Army and Catholic Charities, all organizations with Christian foundations...and while every effort to eradicate polio should be lauded, the truth is there are generally less than 1000 cases worldwide, and Rotary Int'l, World Health and UNICEF lead the charge...with no hooks attached.  Btw, the scientists who developed the polio vaccine were Jews, not atheists.

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is a secular charity.

One of DWB's foudners was a communist...which only shows that communists aren't all bad...and  I never said that all leftists were completely heartless ; )  But surely  you're not going to claim that all the people who founded the organization or contribute to it are non-believers, are you?  In fact, I would venture to say that most are.

The secular World Health Organization eradicated small pox on the planet.

The WHO is an agency of the UN, so it would be "secular" by nature.  But as an agency of the UN, it was established by decidedly religious countries and religious people...so what was your point?

Many Christian charities do good work with those in need, but they often apply pressure to join their religion.

Liberals have no problem shoving their twisted ideology down everyone's throats, but Heaven forbid Christians share the word of God.  But what Christians don't do is force people to convert in exchange for their good work, so where is the harm in letting other people in on something that could fundamentally change their lives in so many positive ways?

There is a group now known as ChildFund (you have seen the commercials), they used to be known as Christian Child Fund (originally they were China Child Fund, and was founded by a Presbyterian minister, but changed the name after they spread out from China, but kept the initials of CCF).  A few years ago they dropped the "Christian" from the name because of complaints that they were not pushing religion on the people they were helping. (http://www.ministrywatch.com/pdf/mwda_042704_ccf.pdf)

Christian Child Fund changed it's name when it joined an alliance of organizations operating as ChildFund.  But you are somewhat correct in that the CCF had, for some time, ceased offering specifically Christian programs.

Obvious you don't know many, if you did you would not go around making up such uninformed lies.

I do know many...and most are very nice people...but "nice" doesn't necessarilly make one moral, or mean they have strong, traditional values.  But if you find my comments "uninformed" then point out the error and share the "truth"...or at least, your version of it.

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Registered: 10-17-2012

That is the Conservative Doctrine.

I think we've found one of the few fans of MSNBC.

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Registered: 12-20-2003

<<Besides the general anti-Christian attacks from the left, the country also suffers from the daily influence of immorality, lack of values and promotion of mediocrity inherent in the liberal ideology.>>

What anti-Christian attacks?  Or would you prefer to repeat that there are attacks without specifics?

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