Final word on abortion!

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Final word on abortion!
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Tue, 04-30-2013 - 5:15pm

Do you think that you are capable of making decisions for other people? You will claim that abortion is a violent crime against babies! But what about violent crimes against fully formed humans? You are not protesting against phyllip morris, or the war in Iraq, even though they kill millions of humans in their 115th trimester! You are like the people who only want to save the "cute" animals! You could care less if a muslim dies... but not a muslim fetus! Even though that fetus might grow up to be a suicide bomber! I am more interested in discovering pro active sollutions and not just throwing rocks at pregnant women! Over population is a very real issue! People are still having babies by the dozen... which is the most selfish and destructive form of our "human rights"!  Start protesting that instead! Notice how divided people are on the subject of abortion.. Its 50/50! That statistic alone shows the futility of your argument!

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Wed, 05-01-2013 - 1:56am

Do you think that you are capable of making decisions for other people?

The pro-abortion crowd does.  In fact, they feel they have the right to kill other people.

You will claim that abortion is a violent crime against babies! But what about violent crimes against fully formed humans? You are not protesting against phyllip morris, or the war in Iraq, even though they kill millions of humans in their 115th trimester!

Choosing to smoke or join the military are not "violent crimes."

You are like the people who only want to save the "cute" animals! You could care less if a muslim dies... but not a muslim fetus!

Kind of depends on who the Muslim is and whether they've done something that deserves killing.  The fetus on the other hand, is innocent.

Even though that fetus might grow up to be a suicide bomber!

All people have potential.  You can't know what they will become until they become it.

I am more interested in discovering pro active sollutions and not just throwing rocks at pregnant women!

Then share your solutions...all I've heard so far is whining and esoteric nonsense.

Over population is a very real issue! People are still having babies by the dozen... which is the most selfish and destructive form of our "human rights"!

So you're a strong supporter of abortion and restricting a woman's right to bear children because it interferes with your "human rights?"  Really?

Start protesting that instead! Notice how divided people are on the subject of abortion.. Its 50/50! That statistic alone shows the futility of your argument!

Kind of ridiculous.  How does an issue that is split 50-50 only show the futility of one side of the argument?

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Wed, 05-01-2013 - 2:47am

Do you think that you are capable of making decisions for other people?

The pro-abortion crowd does.  In fact, they feel they have the right to kill other people.

I don't think that they actually kill anyone! (I never have heard them refer to themselves as pro-abortion , pro-choice)!  They just like to oppose Pro-Lifers, Who only want to control the problem without having any solutions! So when you finally get what you want and people stop aborting... what happens to the children? Are you taking them in? Providing in an economy that has been wrung dry? I cant stop you from protesting, but I can at least invite you to think about The toll we take on this planet in great numbers... I am not talking about global warming (Its pretty cold here) I'm talking about pollution in general.. Landfills are terrifying! Exponential Industrialism equals a god awful amount of waste.. This isn't hippie talk here.. Really think about our cause and effect!

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You will claim that abortion is a violent crime against babies! But what about violent crimes against fully formed humans? You are not protesting against phyllip morris, or the war in Iraq, even though they kill millions of humans in their 115th trimester!

Choosing to smoke or join the military are not "violent crimes."

 You don't think that suicide by emphizema is a violent crime? To me the fact that we still rely on a military is a viloent crime and we are the enablers!

You are like the people who only want to save the "cute" animals! You could care less if a muslim dies... but not a muslim fetus!

Kind of depends on who the Muslim is and whether they've done something that deserves killing.  The fetus on the other hand, is innocent.

Eye for an Eye!! I love it! A little different from the teachings of Jesus but I'm with ya Dog! 

Even though that fetus might grow up to be a suicide bomber!

All people have potential.  You can't know what they will become until they become it.

I'm aware that Minority Report is Sci-Fi... however.. it doesn't look good! Chances are the fetus will grow up hating Jews and the "Great Satan" (America)

I am more interested in discovering pro active sollutions and not just throwing rocks at pregnant women!

Then share your solutions...all I've heard so far is whining and esoteric nonsense.

Thats why I use the word "discovering" I have no clue! It appears that you are damned if you do and damned if you don't! Like I said before.. short of dictating the number of children you can have or finding an infinite energy source.. we are doomed either way!

Over population is a very real issue! People are still having babies by the dozen... which is the most selfish and destructive form of our "human rights"!

So you're a strong supporter of abortion and restricting a woman's right to bear children because it interferes with your "human rights?"  Really?

No its their "human rights" to have children! I was saying that "human rights" come at a cost! We both know that we are not going to stop teenagers from having sex.. It is irresponsible for a lot of people to breed like they do.. Creating more and more need for death! The cruel tragedy of life is that there is not enough to go around for the people who already exist let alone the women having 9 children!

Start protesting that instead! Notice how divided people are on the subject of abortion.. Its 50/50! That statistic alone shows the futility of your argument!

Kind of ridiculous.  How does an issue that is split 50-50 only show the futility of one side of the argument?

Both arguments! If you are pro-choice you "cross a line"! If you are pro-life you "disrupt a necessary evil".. Like having a military!

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Sun, 05-05-2013 - 4:46am

I don't think that they actually kill anyone!

You obviously haven't heard about the abortion doctor currently on trial in Pennsylvania.  But if you don't think they're killing anyone, what is the abortion for?

(I never have heard them refer to themselves as pro-abortion , pro-choice)!

Of course not...that would be being honest.  They advocate abortion on demand so they're pro-abortion.

They just like to oppose Pro-Lifers, Who only want to control the problem without having any solutions!

Personally, we don't consider killing babies the solution for irresponsible behavior.  But since you mentioned it, we have proposed several solutions.  You can start with personal responsibility...and there are a lot of programs that can assist the parents in keeping and raising the baby.  There's also adoption.

So when you finally get what you want and people stop aborting... what happens to the children? Are you taking them in? Providing in an economy that has been wrung dry?

Odd how personal responsibility never seems to occur to the pro-abortion crowd.  Maybe the parents of the child should actually be responsible for raising and providing for their own children.

I cant stop you from protesting, but I can at least invite you to think about The toll we take on this planet in great numbers... I am not talking about global warming (Its pretty cold here) I'm talking about pollution in general.. Landfills are terrifying! Exponential Industrialism equals a god awful amount of waste.. This isn't hippie talk here.. Really think about our cause and effect!

No problems there.  We've got a LONG way to go before we run out of resources or places and means to dispose of our waste.  In fact, as time goes by, we're getting better and better at managing it.

Choosing to smoke or join the military are not "violent crimes."

 You don't think that suicide by emphizema is a violent crime? To me the fact that we still rely on a military is a viloent crime and we are the enablers!

No, emphizema the occasional result of a behavior that is preceded by volumes of warnings.  As for the military, I'm sure you'd enjoy being a citizen of Iran or Syria or whoever would dominate you if the US military weren't there to protect you.

Kind of depends on who the Muslim is and whether they've done something that deserves killing.  The fetus on the other hand, is innocent.

Eye for an Eye!! I love it! A little different from the teachings of Jesus but I'm with ya Dog!

Not that I oppose revenge, but there is a certain practicality in killing your enemies...it eliminates the number of people who want to hurt you.  As for Jesus, no, he didn't advocate being nice to your enemies.

All people have potential.  You can't know what they will become until they become it.

I'm aware that Minority Report is Sci-Fi... however.. it doesn't look good! Chances are the fetus will grow up hating Jews and the "Great Satan" (America)

Possibly...but it also might grow up to be the person who brings Islam into the 21st century.


Then share your solutions...all I've heard so far is whining and esoteric nonsense.

Thats why I use the word "discovering" I have no clue! It appears that you are damned if you do and damned if you don't! Like I said before.. short of dictating the number of children you can have or finding an infinite energy source.. we are doomed either way!

Nah...dilithium crystals are right around the corner.

So you're a strong supporter of abortion and restricting a woman's right to bear children because it interferes with your "human rights?"  Really?

No its their "human rights" to have children! I was saying that "human rights" come at a cost! We both know that we are not going to stop teenagers from having sex.. It is irresponsible for a lot of people to breed like they do.. Creating more and more need for death! The cruel tragedy of life is that there is not enough to go around for the people who already exist let alone the women having 9 children!

Everything comes at a cost.  Your house, your food, your car, your family all come at a cost.  Civilization comes at a cost.  But what's the alternative?  Living like savages?  Death?  Pestilence?  Plague?  Aah, the good old days!  Btw, there IS enough to go around...politics and corruption just get in the way.

Kind of ridiculous.  How does an issue that is split 50-50 only show the futility of one side of the argument?

Both arguments! If you are pro-choice you "cross a line"! If you are pro-life you "disrupt a necessary evil".. Like having a military!

Having a military isn't a necessary evil, it's having a necessity to defend our freedoms.  Abortion is simply an easy fix for irresponsible behavior.  The reason liberals want it is because they all feel they might need it one day.  Says a lot about liberals.

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Wed, 05-08-2013 - 1:31am

You obviously haven't heard about the abortion doctor currently on trial in Pennsylvania.  But if you don't think they're killing anyone, what is the abortion for?

I meant that pro choicers don't actually kill anyone! They might be enablers, but aren't we all!

Of course not...that would be being honest.  They advocate abortion on demand so they're pro-abortion.

They advocate choice, not abortion (Hence Pro-Choice) I think they are more against pro lifers than they are actually for abortion!

Personally, we don't consider killing babies the solution for irresponsible behavior.  But since you mentioned it, we have proposed several solutions.  You can start with personal responsibility...and there are a lot of programs that can assist the parents in keeping and raising the baby.  There's also adoption.

Personal Responsibility? You do know who we share the planet with... Idiots! If people actually took responsibility for their actions we would be living in a pseudo-utopia! Adoption? Are you kidding me? There are hundreds of thousand children waiting to be adopted.. so you want to keep adding to that number? These programs you have mentioned.. are we paying taxes for those? Am I paying to take care of someone elses child?

Odd how personal responsibility never seems to occur to the pro-abortion crowd.  Maybe the parents of the child should actually be responsible for raising and providing for their own children.

I would love it if people took responsibility for their actions... but I would also love to grow wings and fly! I like playing the wishing game!

No problems there.  We've got a LONG way to go before we run out of resources or places and means to dispose of our waste.  In fact, as time goes by, we're getting better and better at managing it.

(Laughing Histerically) Oh really? Tell that to the millions of starving people! Tell that to the homeless! Tell that to the rich.. who swear there is not enough to go around.. so they Horde recources! We are getting better at managing the recources for the priveledged few!

No, emphizema the occasional result of a behavior that is preceded by volumes of warnings.  As for the military, I'm sure you'd enjoy being a citizen of Iran or Syria or whoever would dominate you if the US military weren't there to protect you.

The fact is that just because There are cigarettes doesn't mean you have to smoke them, however the same applys to abortion clinics.. they provide a venue for death just like the tobacco companies! But that doesn't mean you have to go to the clinic. (You can do it in your basement with a coat hanger instead)

Not that I oppose revenge, but there is a certain practicality in killing your enemies...it eliminates the number of people who want to hurt you.  As for Jesus, no, he didn't advocate being nice to your enemies.

Here are some key Scriptures (Bible verses) on loving your enemies:

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another (John 13:34).

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse (Romans 12:14).

We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it (1 Corinthians 4:12).

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).

Possibly...but it also might grow up to be the person who brings Islam into the 21st century.

Or.............


Nah...dilithium crystals are right around the corner.

So in our dreams of a sci-fi future, everything will be ok!

Everything comes at a cost.  Your house, your food, your car, your family all come at a cost.  Civilization comes at a cost.  But what's the alternative?  Living like savages?  Death?  Pestilence?  Plague?  Aah, the good old days!  Btw, there IS enough to go around...politics and corruption just get in the way.

I would like to think that we would find our way back to common descency even if society crumbles! Rebirth by fire seems to yield possitive results! We forget the dangers of our stubborness and refusal to change! Savages.. death.. pestilence.. all apart of out existing society! The ideals you are defending is the very same thing that creates lunatics that like to blow themselves up or shoot up schools! There is no escape!

Kind of ridiculous.  How does an issue that is split 50-50 only show the futility of one side of the argument?

Both arguments! If you are pro-choice you "cross a line"! If you are pro-life you "disrupt a necessary evil".. Like having a military!

Having a military isn't a necessary evil, it's having a necessity to defend our freedoms.  Abortion is simply an easy fix for irresponsible behavior.  The reason liberals want it is because they all feel they might need it one day.  Says a lot about liberals.

As I said, the military is necessary! However The fact that we still need a military shows how far we must go to defend our lives from other cultures and societies and the threats they pose! I believe that if every country had the same cozy lives that we have they would pose no threat! It is our self entitlement that comes at a very serious cost. The military is just a refelection of the price we must pay to selfishly secure our creature comforts! (The liberals might need abortion clinics to remain open in hopes that conservatives use it and stop breeding!)

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Tue, 08-13-2013 - 4:30pm

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Tue, 08-13-2013 - 8:08pm

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