God gives man free will

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 8:43pm

Is that debatable IYO? 

 

 

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Tue, 05-14-2013 - 10:45pm

Since there is no evidence of an anthropomorphic "God"... I'm gonna say no! I'm not saying there is no God, and I'm not saying that free will doesn't exist! All im saying is that the chances of a God existing seperate from the rest of existence is unlikely! Possible... but still kinda undebatable! If your manlike God exists then there is no argument because you would have to ask "Him"! 

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Wed, 05-15-2013 - 12:04am

Between members belonging to different faiths and beliefs I would say yes.  Between members of the Catholic faith I would say not since it is an article of faith.

CCC #1731 Freedom is the power, rooted in reason and will, to act or not to act, to do this or that, and so to perform deliberate actions on one's own responsibility. By free will one shapes one's own life. Human freedom is a force for growth and maturity in truth and goodness; it attains its perfection when directed toward God, our beatitude.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a3.htm#1731


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Wed, 05-15-2013 - 8:11am
Thank you for that citation defender.

 

 

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Thu, 05-16-2013 - 2:53am

Is that debatable IYO?

An interesting question.  Judas was pivotal in the realization of prophecy, so did he really have free will, or was he compelled to "play his part?"  What if he didn't betray Jesus?

And when Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times before the cock crowed...was Jesus just guessing, or was Peter pre-destined to do what Jesus foretold?

What if Pilat didn't condemn Jesus?  What if the Romans didn't tear down the temple?  The list goes on and on.

If you know what someone will do in the future, does that mean they didn't have the free will to act?

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Thu, 05-16-2013 - 2:57am

Since there is no evidence of an anthropomorphic "God"... I'm gonna say no!

Who ever said God was "anthropomorphic?"...at least in his "natural state?"  What what does the physical state of God have to do with man having free will?

All im saying is that the chances of a God existing seperate from the rest of existence is unlikely!

If God can't exist separate from the rest of existence, then  how was he able to create the rest of existence?

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Thu, 05-16-2013 - 4:04am

Since there is no evidence of an anthropomorphic "God"... I'm gonna say no!

Who ever said God was "anthropomorphic?"...at least in his "natural state?"  What what does the physical state of God have to do with man having free will?

Definition of ANTHROPOMORPHIZE

transitive verb
: to attribute human form or personality to
intransitive verb
: to attribute human form or personality to things not human

If God is not given the attributes of man then God cannot "give" anything! 

All im saying is that the chances of a God existing seperate from the rest of existence is unlikely!

If God can't exist separate from the rest of existence, then  how was he able to create the rest of existence?

Who said anything about a creation? If God is everything then God was at one moment the catalyst for existence... maybe! God was and is and will ever be our ever expanding universe and every molecule in between!

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Fri, 05-17-2013 - 10:07pm

Yes, Those that doubted Jesus is a good way of looking at it!  I was thinking of the here and now too - If God gives you free will AND you are faithful WHY do you still act on the bad? (not you deenasdad.. general!)

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Sat, 05-18-2013 - 3:05am

"If God gives you free will AND you are faithful WHY do you still act on the bad?"

That's a good question.  This goes back to the Book of Genesis chapter 3 where God forbid man to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. While not taken literally in the sense that these were the exact events that took place, it basically describes the Fall of Man who was created perfect and full of God's grace and with free will. Man, instead of listening to God, was tempted by the devil, the "serpent," to go against God's will. From the beginning until this very day, May 18, 2013, it is the devil's task to temp us to continually ask ourselves the question, "Does God really want me to do that? Do I really want to do that? It seems difficult. That thing over there looks much easier to do and more beautiful and delightful to the eye." Thus, by being tempted by the devil, the "serpent," we become deceived into believing his lie.

It happens every day and in different situations, but it is basically the same question people ask themselves,  "should I do the right thing or should I do what I want to do?"  This is temptation, and everyone falls. Without the grace of God, we would be powerless against the devil. I hope this answers your question.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/genesis/3.html

"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." ~ John 8:44


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Sat, 05-18-2013 - 12:37pm

Free will is still governed by certain laws! If Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they did it within Gods limitations! Not to mention God knew they would Sin before he even created them ! Not unlike the falling of Lucifer! Angels with God given Free will... God knows your choices before you make them.. in fact God made those choice available in the first place! I like how christians are always willing to profess the Glory of God and "His" creation... but never blame "Him" for the "Darkness" that "He" implanted in our perfect little world!!

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Sat, 05-18-2013 - 2:07pm
It does answer my question, Thanks.... Man is filled with more temptation than I will ever understand I think.

 

 

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