Its Evolution Baby!

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Thu, 04-11-2013 - 8:40pm

So I am a little  nervous about the number of people who still think evolution is a belief! Do you "Believe" in gravity? How about DNA? Carbon Dating? Fossils? There is no debate here! But I wan't to see how people respond to my perspective on evolution being EVIDENCE and FACT! Now I could spend my life researching evolution to try and prove it wrong, but whats the point? It threatens Nothing! It is No different from learning Biology and chemistry! I am not saying that God has nothing to do with it because from my (Belief) perspective God is Biology! I am pantheist btw! Anyways I am just trying to identify your concern for accepting a truth that has been proven with evidence! You don't follow most of the old testament anyways (meaning you are not following its laws like killing your neighbor for working on the sabbath). Why are you clinging so hard to that specific fable of Adam and Eve or even the Creation in general? Only in a childs innocence should people be believing in such things (santa) I am not challenging the existence of jesus, or stopping you from your worship so why wont you let schools do there jobs and give the correct information and not "whitewash" it? (Not racist, using artistic liberty) we are close to farenheit 451/ 1984 here! Believe me I would protest even harder if it meant people couldn't learn about their religion! That is our freedom! If you dont want your kid to believe the "crap they teach at schools" then homeschool, and teach them that if they swim with whales and get swallowed... theres still hope! I heard someone referencing a creationist society as the equivilent of a "flat earth" society that teaches the "stork theory"! 

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Fri, 04-12-2013 - 4:06am

So I am a little  nervous about the number of people who still think evolution is a belief!

Why would someone else's beliefs, that don't affect you, make you nervous?

Do you "Believe" in gravity? How about DNA? Carbon Dating? Fossils? There is no debate here!

Gravity is demonstrable...throw an apple in the air and watch it fall.  DNA is a physical particle.  Carbon dating?  A methodolgy that is kind-of-ball-park accurate, and again demonstrable.  Fossils?  Sure they exist, you can see and hold them.  But evolution?  Not so fast.  Microevolution...mutation and adaptation are observable, but macroevolution is a "theory" that is so full of holes, inconsistencies and out right errors that one can hardly declare "there's no debate here!"

But I wan't to see how people respond to my perspective on evolution being EVIDENCE and FACT! Now I could spend my life researching evolution to try and prove it wrong, but whats the point?

The point would be to prove what you're claiming is true...rather than just putting your "blind faith" in something "science" tells you today that it will only change tomorrow.

It threatens Nothing! It is No different from learning Biology and chemistry!

Biology and chemistry and largely demonstrable sciences.  Evolution is a theory based on untestable observation and unprovable speculation.  One cannot prove that creature A evolved into creature B.  One only has two distinct, wholy formed creatures and speculates that one magically morphed into the other.

I am not saying that God has nothing to do with it because from my (Belief) perspective God is Biology! I am pantheist btw!

So you're really saying "gods" with a little "g" and an "s."  Quite a different point of view from the Abrahamic "God."

Anyways I am just trying to identify your concern for accepting a truth that has been proven with evidence!

What is the "evidence?"  One creature that is similar to another...like the laughable "evolution of the horse?"  What is the "evidence" for the spontaneous generation that is the bedrock of evolution"...until science also says that spontaneous generation is impossible.  And what about the Cambrian Explosion?  When, after billions of years, single celled organisms magically poofed into every animal phyla present today...including multiple versions of the compound eye...in the blink of only 20 million years.  I would just LOVE to see all that proof and evidence.

You don't follow most of the old testament anyways (meaning you are not following its laws like killing your neighbor for working on the sabbath). Why are you clinging so hard to that specific fable of Adam and Eve or even the Creation in general?

Christians don't adhere to Old Testament laws...and some "cling" to a factual reading of the Bible and some do not...but, even with your theory of evollution, there must have been a "first man" and a "first woman."

Only in a childs innocence should people be believing in such things (santa) I am not challenging the existence of jesus, or stopping you from your worship so why wont you let schools do there jobs and give the correct information and not "whitewash" it?

You mean why don't we all just act like blind lemmings and follow whatever fable "science" is teaching us today?  Which "origin of the universe" theory should we teach our kids as "the truth?"  The Big Bang?  The Big Freeze?  The Steady State?  The Pulsating Theory?  Plasma Theory?  Big Bounce?  Nebular Theory?  The list just goes on and on.  Or the multiple theories on the origin of life?...except God, of course...and how many dimensions do we go with in String Theory?  Six?  Seven?  Or is that being stingy, why not go for eleven dimensions?    Which bit of "scientific" drivel should we shove down our kids throats? 

Believe me I would protest even harder if it meant people couldn't learn about their religion! That is our freedom!

Sure, let's make sure our kids aren't taught the "mythology" of religion when they can be the ever changing "truth" of "science."  LOL!  And let's not teach our kids values and accountability, when we can teach them that anything goes...that they are entitled to everything and that everyone gets a trophy.  Aah...the mediocrity and degredation of liberalism.  The Devil's Brew.

If you dont want your kid to believe the "crap they teach at schools" then homeschool, and teach them that if they swim with whales and get swallowed... theres still hope!

Sad for you if you fall overboard while whale watching, but if you believe in God's love there is always hope.

I heard someone referencing a creationist society as the equivilent of a "flat earth" society that teaches the "stork theory"!

You were probaby listening to a liberal lemming that believes in "evolution" and the big bang theory...er...or the big freeze theory...or...uh...thinks there are only 5 dimensions in the string theory...or maybe 6...or...oh, gosh, not that I'm "progressive" and really, really smart, I believe in "science" and so I don't know what I believe but I'm sure there will be another "scientist" coming by any minute to tell me their new version of "the truth."

The gullibility is fascinating.

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Fri, 04-12-2013 - 10:21pm

So I am a little  nervous about the number of people who still think evolution is a belief!

Why would someone else's beliefs, that don't affect you, make you nervous?

It is my attempt at control! Good catch!

Do you "Believe" in gravity? How about DNA? Carbon Dating? Fossils? There is no debate here!

Gravity is demonstrable...throw an apple in the air and watch it fall.  DNA is a physical particle.  Carbon dating?  A methodolgy that is kind-of-ball-park accurate, and again demonstrable.  Fossils?  Sure they exist, you can see and hold them.  But evolution?  Not so fast.  Microevolution...mutation and adaptation are observable, but macroevolution is a "theory" that is so full of holes, inconsistencies and out right errors that one can hardly declare "there's no debate here!"

The same people that demonstrated the other sciences that you perceive as fact, they are as sure of evolution because of the staggering amount of evidence, just today I read about a new discovery that had a full page in my local paper! Another gap filled! The problem is that even if they had another million years to fill in these gaps it doesn't matter! It paints a pretty clear picture! You just don't want to see it!

But I wan't to see how people respond to my perspective on evolution being EVIDENCE and FACT! Now I could spend my life researching evolution to try and prove it wrong, but whats the point?

The point would be to prove what you're claiming is true...rather than just putting your "blind faith" in something "science" tells you today that it will only change tomorrow.

It changes by building on the same equation and is actual evidence not just schitzophrenic translations of a single book! Thats why its not "blind" anything! Its not just a "theory" in the scientific community! Even some arch bishops have been like "Hmm Interesting"! 

It threatens Nothing! It is No different from learning Biology and chemistry!

Biology and chemistry and largely demonstrable sciences.  Evolution is a theory based on untestable observation and unprovable speculation.  One cannot provethat creature A evolved into creature B.  One only has two distinct, wholy formed creatures and speculates that one magically morphed into the other.

I really don't want to write you a book here! You did just enough research to help you sleep at night! Its pretty staggering the amount of evidence! 

I am not saying that God has nothing to do with it because from my (Belief) perspective God is Biology! I am pantheist btw!

So you're really saying "gods" with a little "g" and an "s."  Quite a different point of view from the Abrahamic "God."

Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that theuniverse (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2]Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god. 

So you were right about the lower case part!

Anyways I am just trying to identify your concern for accepting a truth that has been proven with evidence!

What is the "evidence?"  One creature that is similar to another...like the laughable "evolution of the horse?"  What is the "evidence" for the spontaneous generation that is the bedrock of evolution"...until science also says that spontaneous generation is impossible.  And what about the Cambrian Explosion?  When, after billions of years, single celled organisms magically poofed into every animal phyla present today...including multiple versions of the compound eye...in the blink of only 20 million years.  I would just LOVE to see all that proof and evidence.

Well start digging because its there! Find out how long and how much manpower that would take just to prove something that is obvious! Science has a pretty strong influence in this society! So I can imaging the conspiracies you have woven! However the difference between science and religion, is the difference between the the earth rotating around the sun vs. Atlas carrying the earth on his back!

You don't follow most of the old testament anyways (meaning you are not following its laws like killing your neighbor for working on the sabbath). Why are you clinging so hard to that specific fable of Adam and Eve or even the Creation in general?

Christians don't adhere to Old Testament laws...and some "cling" to a factual reading of the Bible and some do not...but, even with your theory of evollution, there must have been a "first man" and a "first woman."

Yeah that is true! But... you think those people magically "poofed" into existence? 

Only in a childs innocence should people be believing in such things (santa) I am not challenging the existence of jesus, or stopping you from your worship so why wont you let schools do there jobs and give the correct information and not "whitewash" it?

You mean why don't we all just act like blind lemmings and follow whatever fable "science" is teaching us today?  Which "origin of the universe" theory should we teach our kids as "the truth?"  The Big Bang?  The Big Freeze?  The Steady State?  The Pulsating Theory?  Plasma Theory?  Big Bounce?  Nebular Theory?  The list just goes on and on.  Or the multiple theories on the origin of life?...except God, of course...and how many dimensions do we go with in String Theory?  Six?  Seven?  Or is that being stingy, why not go for eleven dimensions?    Which bit of "scientific" drivel should we shove down our kids throats? 

No those are just theories! Awesome theories I might add! But evolution is ready to be mainstreamed! Without any consequence to anyone because it is "truth" To people a heck of alot smarter than both of us! It is not the same for creationism because there isn't just holes in it! There is an abyss of deliberate ignorance!

Believe me I would protest even harder if it meant people couldn't learn about their religion! That is our freedom!

Sure, let's make sure our kids aren't taught the "mythology" of religion when they can be the ever changing "truth" of "science."  LOL!  And let's not teach our kids values and accountability, when we can teach them that anything goes...that they are entitled to everything and that everyone gets a trophy.  Aah...the mediocrity and degredation of liberalism.  The Devil's Brew.

You really can't tell me that religion is our only source of morality and descency! I never said we should live in a Darwinian society! That is cry myself to sleep hilarious! I like how you like to take jabs at liberal! I notice how its a bit of an obsession! Try looking at our conversation without "sniffing out" a liberal agenda!

If you dont want your kid to believe the "crap they teach at schools" then homeschool, and teach them that if they swim with whales and get swallowed... theres still hope!

Sad for you if you fall overboard while whale watching, but if you believe in God's love there is always hope.

I wasn't homeschooled! :) I also read Moby Dick!

I heard someone referencing a creationist society as the equivilent of a "flat earth" society that teaches the "stork theory"!

You were probaby listening to a liberal lemming that believes in "evolution" and the big bang theory...er...or the big freeze theory...or...uh...thinks there are only 5 dimensions in the string theory...or maybe 6...or...oh, gosh, not that I'm "progressive" and really, really smart, I believe in "science" and so I don't know what I believe but I'm sure there will be another "scientist" coming by any minute to tell me their new version of "the truth."

The gullibility is fascinating.

Like I said, If you really think "science" is so contradictive and constantly finding themselves shedding the old theories for new ones! Then why do you believe in anything if "knowledge" is so fleeting? The bible is interesting at most but has so many more holes than science had even 2000 years ago! We agree that there are no documentation too prove creationism! Not even a hint of a trail of evidence! Just Faith!

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Sat, 04-13-2013 - 7:18am
Gravity is demonstrable...throw an apple in the air and watch it fall.  DNA is a physical particle.  Carbon dating?  A methodolgy that is kind-of-ball-park accurate, and again demonstrable.  Fossils?  Sure they exist, you can see and hold them.  But evolution?  Not so fast.  Microevolution...mutation and adaptation are observable, but macroevolution is a "theory" that is so full of holes, inconsistencies and out right errors that one can hardly declare "there's no debate here!"
The same people that demonstrated the other sciences that you perceive as fact, they are as sure of evolution because of the staggering amount of evidence,

Believing in gravity doesn't make evolution a true...even if the guy who "discovered" gravity believes in it...and fyi, Newton was an ardent Christian with a firm belief in the Bible and Genesis.  Btw, millions of people believe in the veracity of the Bible...so that must make it true, right?

just today I read about a new discovery that had a full page in my local paper! Another gap filled! The problem is that even if they had another million years to fill in these gaps it doesn't matter! It paints a pretty clear picture! You just don't want to see it!

Speculation.  Here's something that looks kind of like something else...except that it doesn't...so that's proof that one thing evolved into the other.  Hardly compelling.  I'd share with you article after article showing the errors in your evolution theory, but it wouldn't be worth my time because you just don't want to see it.


The point would be to prove what you're claiming is true...rather than just putting your "blind faith" in something "science" tells you today that it will only change tomorrow.

It changes by building on the same equation and is actual evidence not just schitzophrenic translations of a single book! Thats why its not "blind" anything! Its not just a "theory" in the scientific community! Even some arch bishops have been like "Hmm Interesting"! 

By your reckoning the Bible must be true just for sheer consistancy over thousands of years...especially when compared to the ever "evolving" nature of your "science."  But your "building on the same equation" is also a farce.  The "equation" for the big bang is nothing like the equation for the plasma theory or any of the other myriad guesses about the origins of the universe...and yet there is no compunction about teaching these guesses to our children as "the truth."  It's mind-boggling.

Biology and chemistry and largely demonstrable sciences.  Evolution is a theory based on untestable observation and unprovable speculation.  One cannot provethat creature A evolved into creature B.  One only has two distinct, wholy formed creatures and speculates that one magically morphed into the other.

I really don't want to write you a book here! You did just enough research to help you sleep at night! Its pretty staggering the amount of evidence! 

Then it shouldn't be an effort to share all of the evidence with us.  Show us the imperical evidence that creature A "evolved" into creature B.  I'd love to see it...hoping for more than "this one looks kind of like that one, but different."  Tell us how a plant evolved into a horse, and how a horse managed to evolve into a whale.  I'm getting a tingle up my leg just thinking about the possibilities.  But be careful, if you have children, don't let them swim in the lake too long or they'll "evolve" into amphibians.  Happens all the time.


So you're really saying "gods" with a little "g" and an "s."  Quite a different point of view from the Abrahamic "God."

Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that theuniverse (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2]Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god.  So you were right about the lower case part!

Pantheism is a belief that encompasses all gods..."pan" meaning "all inclusive"...so yes, little "g."


What is the "evidence?"  One creature that is similar to another...like the laughable "evolution of the horse?"  What is the "evidence" for the spontaneous generation that is the bedrock of evolution"...until science also says that spontaneous generation is impossible.  And what about the Cambrian Explosion?  When, after billions of years, single celled organisms magically poofed into every animal phyla present today...including multiple versions of the compound eye...in the blink of only 20 million years.  I would just LOVE to see all that proof and evidence.

Well start digging because its there! Find out how long and how much manpower that would take just to prove something that is obvious! Science has a pretty strong influence in this society! So I can imaging the conspiracies you have woven! However the difference between science and religion, is the difference between the the earth rotating around the sun vs. Atlas carrying the earth on his back!

Obvious?  You might be right if we could point out examples of modern "evolution"...but damn!...elephants aren't "evolving" flippers and gills and dogs aren't turning into cats.  Kind of a big, gaping WTF for your theory of evolution.  But hey, maybe all modern creatures have just achieved physical perfection.

Christians don't adhere to Old Testament laws...and some "cling" to a factual reading of the Bible and some do not...but, even with your theory of evollution, there must have been a "first man" and a "first woman."

Yeah that is true! But... you think those people magically "poofed" into existence? 

It depends on what you mean by "poofed."


You mean why don't we all just act like blind lemmings and follow whatever fable "science" is teaching us today?  Which "origin of the universe" theory should we teach our kids as "the truth?"  The Big Bang?  The Big Freeze?  The Steady State?  The Pulsating Theory?  Plasma Theory?  Big Bounce?  Nebular Theory?  The list just goes on and on.  Or the multiple theories on the origin of life?...except God, of course...and how many dimensions do we go with in String Theory?  Six?  Seven?  Or is that being stingy, why not go for eleven dimensions?    Which bit of "scientific" drivel should we shove down our kids throats? 

No those are just theories! Awesome theories I might add! But evolution is ready to be mainstreamed! Without any consequence to anyone because it is "truth" To people a heck of alot smarter than both of us! It is not the same for creationism because there isn't just holes in it! There is an abyss of deliberate ignorance!

The Big Bang is just a "theory?"  Well, I could have sworn it was spoon fed to me in high-school science class.  Sounds pretty "mainstream" for only one of many, many theories about the origins of the universe.  And yet you have no problem with these guesses being taught as "truth" to our children.  Amazing...or perhaps not so amazing for someone who believes something is a fact simply because someone "smarter than they are" says it's so.


Sure, let's make sure our kids aren't taught the "mythology" of religion when they can be the ever changing "truth" of "science."  LOL!  And let's not teach our kids values and accountability, when we can teach them that anything goes...that they are entitled to everything and that everyone gets a trophy.  Aah...the mediocrity and degredation of liberalism.  The Devil's Brew.

You really can't tell me that religion is our only source of morality and descency! I never said we should live in a Darwinian society! That is cry myself to sleep hilarious! I like how you like to take jabs at liberal! I notice how its a bit of an obsession! Try looking at our conversation without "sniffing out" a liberal agenda!

Without a  higher authority where do the standards for your "morality and decency" come from?  For liberals, it's simply invented out of whole cloth.  We've seen the effects recently with the doctor who delivers live babies during late-term abortions and them murders them thinking it's all A-ok.  And the left?  Not a peep.  Morals of convenience.  And why do I "tale jabs" at liberalism?  Because it's so completely hypocritical and devoid of "morality and decency."  And i can't help but see the strains of liberalism running through your arguments.

You were probaby listening to a liberal lemming that believes in "evolution" and the big bang theory...er...or the big freeze theory...or...uh...thinks there are only 5 dimensions in the string theory...or maybe 6...or...oh, gosh, not that I'm "progressive" and really, really smart, I believe in "science" and so I don't know what I believe but I'm sure there will be another "scientist" coming by any minute to tell me their new version of "the truth."  The gullibility is fascinating.

Like I said, If you really think "science" is so contradictive and constantly finding themselves shedding the old theories for new ones! Then why do you believe in anything if "knowledge" is so fleeting?

Because there are basic, DEMONSTRABLE, things that science can discover and prove...along with the many, many, many things it can't.  Why do we place any credence in Tacitus?  Was he there for all he wrote?  Why give "science" such credibilty when it has been proven so completely wrong over and over and over again?  It's a joke.  But you are so fast to throw away reason in order to get spoon fed some incredible speculation.  I guess it's what comforts you at night.

The bible is interesting at most but has so many more holes than science had even 2000 years ago!

Laughable!  The Bible has thousands of years of consistent teaching...compared with "science" that can barely make it through the week before revising it's "theories" multiple times.

We agree that there are no documentation too prove creationism! Not even a hint of a trail of evidence! Just Faith!

Care to show me the documentation that proves evolution?  We'll wait...No?  How about the evidence?  (singing mockingly) One of these things is just like the other"...nope, no "evidence," just perpetual speculation that keeps changing from day to day and year to year.  How can you keep putting your "faith" in something that keeps being proven so wrong?  Laughable.  Pathetic.

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Sat, 04-13-2013 - 12:37pm

Thats just it.. You obviously have a different idea for what "evidence" is. To you it is a book written hundreds of years after the events that it is covering! With "eye witness" testimonials! Who were those witnesses btw? Like I said the evidence is in the bedrock.. in the DNA, it doesn't take much imagination to see the pattern emerging! The fact is that you see what you want to see because you are afraid! You keep saying that you just don't buy the mapping of evolution through fossils, fine (Even though there are over 6000 different individual stages of human fossilization at the smithsonian alone).. How about DNA? Ever learned about the hierarchy in all living creatures! I know they don't talk about it in the bible but it is very real! Science has plenty of constances and The study of fossils, DNA, and evolution are very consistent! I am not promoting the Big Bang Theory (Even though its highly more likely than the "God Spoke" theory! Do not compare evolution with string theory and the like,becaus ethey are just theories, while evolution is FACT!

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Sat, 04-13-2013 - 11:46pm
Believing in gravity doesn't make evolution a true...even if the guy who "discovered" gravity believes in it...and fyi, Newton was an ardent Christian with a firm belief in the Bible and Genesis.  Btw, millions of people believe in the veracity of the Bible...so that must make it true, right?

You got me there! I will be honest.. I picked evolution because, honestly, I like to ruffle feathers! I try to stay away from the abortion topic because it does acctually make me nervous! But evolution is not "taboo" to me at all (unlike religion) I did limited research into evolution, including listening to lectures by Richard Dawkins! I'm sure he is a "demon" in your eyes, but to me he is far more convincing than any pastor I have seen! He is an educator first and foremost! He actually battles to prove his evidence, and the battle is exactly like the one I am having with you! The difference is, if you were debating him he would be frustrated! Almost as if he was teaching you the periodic table and you will tell him that you don't believe in carbon, or hydrogen! He has a far greater understanding of what he see's in the Earth than any holy man see's in his Book! ( Should I just say Laughable and pathetic for you) Isn't debating fun? :)

Speculation.  Here's something that looks kind of like something else...except that it doesn't...so that's proof that one thing evolved into the other.  Hardly compelling.  I'd share with you article after article showing the errors in your evolution theory, but it wouldn't be worth my time because you just don't want to see it.

You can actually see where they dug it out of the ground from each time period, illustrating it! Like I said, they are still far away from linking the entire puzzle together! But I mean come on! Thats Mickey Mouse playing the bass for God sakes! Let me ask you.. Do you undrstand how much can happen in Billions of years! You have seen alot happen in just the few short decades you have been alive! Why is it so hard to comprehend?

By your reckoning the Bible must be true just for sheer consistancy over thousands of years...especially when compared to the ever "evolving" nature of your "science."  But your "building on the same equation" is also a farce.  The "equation" for the big bang is nothing like the equation for the plasma theory or any of the other myriad guesses about the origins of the universe...and yet there is no compunction about teaching these guesses to our children as "the truth."  It's mind-boggling.

Lets forget about the big bang! We agree its just a theory! I will even throw a bone and say it was probably "God" (god) That started it, however if you want to talk about "Truth" I dare say we will both look like fools! "Pride.. Its my favorite sin" - Al Pacino (aka el Diablo) Anyways tell your kids whatever you want.. even that its not ok to be homo sexual

Then it shouldn't be an effort to share all of the evidence with us.  Show us the imperical evidence that creature A "evolved" into creature B.  I'd love to see it...hoping for more than "this one looks kind of like that one, but different."  Tell us how a plant evolved into a horse, and how a horse managed to evolve into a whale.  I'm getting a tingle up my leg just thinking about the possibilities.  But be careful, if you have children, don't let them swim in the lake too long or they'll "evolve" into amphibians.  Happens all the time.

Umm if someone told you a plant evolved into a horse.. you might want to call in the straightjacket! As far as people becoming amphibian by swimming in the water.. Dude you gotta watch Water World! (That is not my argument for humans evolving into newts lol) Like I said before it is a Heirarchy system not unlike microevolution, only within millions of years! Not like the turtles that evolved in two decades!


So you're really saying "gods" with a little "g" and an "s."  Quite a different point of view from the Abrahamic "God."

Pantheism is a belief that encompasses all gods..."pan" meaning "all inclusive"...so yes, little "g."

Yes small "g" my god is not just an individual person! When we say that my god is made up of your god, that statement   is only true in a perspective! In my perspective.. your god is just an Idea that comes from a humand mind! That is all a part of existence!  God is EVERYTHING! So technically god is the brain that makes your idea! God is also the Islamic brain who has a different idea! God is also the atom and the galaxies! The wind and water! Food and Poop ;)  You get it right? 


Obvious?  You might be right if we could point out examples of modern "evolution"...but damn!...elephants aren't "evolving" flippers and gills and dogs aren't turning into cats.  Kind of a big, gaping WTF for your theory of evolution.  But hey, maybe all modern creatures have just achieved physical perfection.

I had a dog for 15 years.. guess what.. Still a dog! So how about in a few thousand years we find out if the dog becomes a dominant species on earth and grow wings! Really.. is that your argument? Heres the thing! I told you there is evidence for evolution! Look it up yourself because I would have to charge you tuition fees to school you! Just look without pre-concieved notions!

Christians don't adhere to Old Testament laws...and some "cling" to a factual reading of the Bible and some do not...but, even with your theory of evollution, there must have been a "first man" and a "first woman."

The Big Bang is just a "theory?"  Well, I could have sworn it was spoon fed to me in high-school science class.  Sounds pretty "mainstream" for only one of many, many theories about the origins of the universe.  And yet you have no problem with these guesses being taught as "truth" to our children.  Amazing...or perhaps not so amazing for someone who believes something is a fact simply because someone "smarter than they are" says it's so.

EVOLUTION!!! Not the Big Bang Theory! Although I do love Sheldon! I didn't learn about the big bang theory in high school though! Again "Truth"? Really? You forget I have read the bible! Genesis might as well be called X-men Origins: Existence! Only less believable than Wolverines story!


Without a  higher authority where do the standards for your "morality and decency" come from?  For liberals, it's simply invented out of whole cloth.  We've seen the effects recently with the doctor who delivers live babies during late-term abortions and them murders them thinking it's all A-ok.  And the left?  Not a peep.  Morals of convenience.  And why do I "tale jabs" at liberalism?  Because it's so completely hypocritical and devoid of "morality and decency."  And i can't help but see the strains of liberalism running through your arguments.

I agree that liberals are idiots! But so are conservatives! To me it looks like two rival football teams comparing penis sizes! Why don't we all just get along.. stick and beat each other with it... idiots!

Because there are basic, DEMONSTRABLE, things that science can discover and prove...along with the many, many, many things it can't.  Why do we place any credence in Tacitus?  Was he there for all he wrote?  Why give "science" such credibilty when it has been proven so completely wrong over and over and over again?  It's a joke.  But you are so fast to throw away reason in order to get spoon fed some incredible speculation.  I guess it's what comforts you at night.

I propose that evolution is fact.. like gravity! Not like the many theories that have been proven wrong! You beligerantly take science for granted! Not uncommon!

The bible is interesting at most but has so many more holes than science had even 2000 years ago!

Laughable!  The Bible has thousands of years of consistent teaching...compared with "science" that can barely make it through the week before revising it's "theories" multiple times.

The bible has thousands of years of consistent warring.. not teaching! In fact it is the most inconsistent religious book on the planet! So many denominations! So many interpretations! Some pick and choose.. some eat it all up! Christians calling other christians.. non christians!

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Sun, 04-14-2013 - 3:08am

Thats just it.. You obviously have a different idea for what "evidence" is.

My idea of evidence are items or knowledge that support the veracity of a belief...pretty much the same as everyone else.  And while there is "evidence" of evolution, much of it is distorted, missing or manipulated to support a theory based on speculation.

To you it is a book written hundreds of years after the events that it is covering!

The gospel of Mark (the presumed earliest gospel) was written 50-73CE, only a few decades after the crucifixon of Jesus, and likely borrowed passages from an even earlier source (Q)...and all were informed by oral tradition and earlier writings.

With "eye witness" testimonials! Who were those witnesses btw?

The testimonials frequently have attributions...just find the testimonial you're interested in and read.

Like I said the evidence is in the bedrock.. in the DNA, it doesn't take much imagination to see the pattern emerging!

So DNA proves evolution?  Really?  You'd think someone would have published that "fact."

The fact is that you see what you want to see because you are afraid!

Afraid of what?  Being duped by "science" AGAIN?  What's that saying?..."fool me once shame on you..."

You keep saying that you just don't buy the mapping of evolution through fossils, fine (Even though there are over 6000 different individual stages of human fossilization at the smithsonian alone).. How about DNA? Ever learned about the hierarchy in all living creatures! I know they don't talk about it in the bible but it is very real!

Do share.  I'd love to read how "hierarchy" and "6000 different individual stages of human fossilization" prove evolution is a fact.

Science has plenty of constances and The study of fossils, DNA, and evolution are very consistent!

Fossils, DNA and evolution are three very different things.

I am not promoting the Big Bang Theory (Even though its highly more likely than the "God Spoke" theory! Do not compare evolution with string theory and the like,becaus ethey are just theories, while evolution is FACT!

That would be true if evolution was a fact...sadly it isn't.  But again, do share, I'd love to hear your "evidence" that proves evolution is a fact.

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Registered: 07-29-2012
Sun, 04-14-2013 - 2:08pm

Thats just it.. You obviously have a different idea for what "evidence" is.

My idea of evidence are items or knowledge that support the veracity of a belief...pretty much the same as everyone else.  And while there is "evidence" of evolution, much of it is distorted, missing or manipulated to support a theory based on speculation.

It really isn't! You have been told that by one of your creationist buddies, "talkin bout man comin from monkeys, lets see monkeys pull off a sweet kickflip 180 on my skateboard... oh crap, he just did it"

To you it is a book written hundredys of years after the events that it is covering!

The gospel of Mark (the presumed earliest gospel) was written 50-73CE, only a few decades after the crucifixon of Jesus, and likely borrowed passages from an even earlier source (Q)...and all were informed by oral tradition and earlier writings.

Sum it up for me... what were the original texts? Why are there no historical accounts of Jesus performing miracles, or claiming divinity! That would have been pretty big news for a journalist during that time (or any) How much do you really know if it was only "heard through the grape vine"

With "eye witness" testimonials! Who were those witnesses btw?

The testimonials frequently have attributions...just find the testimonial you're interested in and read.

I will do that! Should I see it with a pre conceived agenda? Or not believe what they say? Do you see a compromise yet?

Like I said the evidence is in the bedrock.. in the DNA, it doesn't take much imagination to see the pattern emerging!

So DNA proves evolution?  Really?  You'd think someone would have published that "fact."

Many have! 

The chimpanzee is the extreme example of this, with DNA sequence that is about 99% identical to that of man http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Chimp-human-DNA-comparison-finds-vast-1181942.php. The chimp doesn’t just have the same set of genes as man, indeed about one third of chimp genes encode proteins that are exactly the same as their human counterparts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genome_project. This sort of result is exactly what evolution predicts, and creationist/anti-evolutionists have to struggle 

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Mon, 04-15-2013 - 12:24am



You got me there! I will be honest.. I picked evolution because, honestly, I like to ruffle feathers!

Ruffle away!  That's what a debate board is for.  But if you want to poke, then be prepared to defend your arguments.

I try to stay away from the abortion topic because it does acctually make me nervous!

Abortion is a valid and divisive argument...not something to shy away from.  Lives are at stake.

But evolution is not "taboo" to me at all (unlike religion) I did limited research into evolution, including listening to lectures by Richard Dawkins! I'm sure he is a "demon" in your eyes, but to me he is far more convincing than any pastor I have seen! He is an educator first and foremost! He actually battles to prove his evidence, and the battle is exactly like the one I am having with you!

Dawkins is an cretin.  Battle away, but be prepared to back up your point of view with actual facts...something devoid in Dawkins reasoning...and your's so far.  Lay it out for me.

Speculation.  Here's something that looks kind of like something else...except that it doesn't...so that's proof that one thing evolved into the other.  Hardly compelling.  I'd share with you article after article showing the errors in your evolution theory, but it wouldn't be worth my time because you just don't want to see it.

You can actually see where they dug it out of the ground from each time period, illustrating it!

Illustrating what?  What some bone...or partial bone was in some relative layer of sediment that's evidence of exactly what?  At the VERY best it MIGHT prove that this fossil is somewhat datable.  Now how that connects it to another FUTURE species is beyond the pale.

Like I said, they are still far away from linking the entire puzzle together! But I mean come on! Thats Mickey Mouse playing the bass for God sakes!

For people who are so "far away from linking the entire puzzle together" they sure act as if they possessed an unquestioned truth...and have no problem feeding their "guesses" to our children as "facts."

Then it shouldn't be an effort to share all of the evidence with us.  Show us the imperical evidence that creature A "evolved" into creature B.  I'd love to see it...hoping for more than "this one looks kind of like that one, but different."  Tell us how a plant evolved into a horse, and how a horse managed to evolve into a whale.  I'm getting a tingle up my leg just thinking about the possibilities.  But be careful, if you have children, don't let them swim in the lake too long or they'll "evolve" into amphibians.  Happens all the time.

Umm if someone told you a plant evolved into a horse.. you might want to call in the straightjacket!

But that's exactly what evolutionists claim happened.  A puddle of inert chemicals magically spawns life which magically becomes a single-celled organism which magically becomes a multi-celled organism which then evolves into every form of plant and animal imaginable.  Fascinating...I wonder why they stopped?

As far as people becoming amphibian by swimming in the water.. Dude you gotta watch Water World! (That is not my argument for humans evolving into newts lol) Like I said before it is a Heirarchy system not unlike microevolution, only within millions of years! Not like the turtles that evolved in two decades!

Again, that's what you evolutionists claim...some ancient hippopotamus just wandered into the water and decided to stay...nevermind that, for thousands and thousands of years, modern hippos practically live in water all their lives and, as far as I know, none have evolved into whales.

I had a dog for 15 years.. guess what.. Still a dog! So how about in a few thousand years we find out if the dog becomes a dominant species on earth and grow wings! Really.. is that your argument? Heres the thing! I told you there is evidence for evolution! Look it up yourself because I would have to charge you tuition fees to school you! Just look without pre-concieved notions!

School away!  Share your facts!  I would love to see them.  Your "it's so because I say it's so" argument isn't particularly compelling.

I propose that evolution is fact.. like gravity! Not like the many theories that have been proven wrong! You beligerantly take science for granted! Not uncommon!

I don't take science for granted, but neither do I deify it, as you do.  The fact is that much of science is speculation...yet folks like you would like it treated as if it were the word of God.

The bible has thousands of years of consistent warring.. not teaching!

The Bible does not "war" it is a book.

In fact it is the most inconsistent religious book on the planet! So many denominations! So many interpretations! Some pick and choose.. some eat it all up! Christians calling other christians.. non christians!

You cannot fault the book for people misinterpreting it or using it's teaching for their own ends.  But as I said, unlike your science, the Bible has remained consistent for millenia.

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Mon, 04-15-2013 - 12:53am

It really isn't! You have been told that by one of your creationist buddies, "talkin bout man comin from monkeys, lets see monkeys pull off a sweet kickflip 180 on my skateboard... oh crap, he just did it"

Aren't you the one who said "they're far from linking the whole thing together"?  But hey, if you think a monkey doing a back flip makes it your cousin, then by all means, I'll not try to dissuade you.

Sum it up for me... what were the original texts?

Read your Bible.

Why are there no historical accounts of Jesus performing miracles, or claiming divinity! That would have been pretty big news for a journalist during that time (or any) How much do you really know if it was only "heard through the grape vine"

No "grapevines"...just read the gospels.  They are first hand accounts of the miracles and teachings of Jesus.  You can also read Tacitus who refers to Jesus as "Christ," meaning the "anointed one" or "messiah."

The testimonials frequently have attributions...just find the testimonial you're interested in and read.

I will do that! Should I see it with a pre conceived agenda? Or not believe what they say? Do you see a compromise yet?

I suppose that depends on you.  Do you usually read history with a pre-concieved agenda?


So DNA proves evolution?  Really?  You'd think someone would have published that "fact."

Many have! 

I must have missed the news report telling about the new "evidence" that has proven evolution to be a fact once and for all.  Maybe you'd care to share?


The chimpanzee is the extreme example of this, with DNA sequence that is about 99% identical to that of man http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Chimp-human-DNA-comparison-finds-vast-1181942.php.

We also share more than half of our DNA with bananas.  Are you claiming that you evolved from a banana?  Um...nevermind.

The chimp doesn’t just have the same set of genes as man, indeed about one third of chimp genes encode proteins that are exactly the same as their human counterparts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genome_project. This sort of result is exactly what evolution predicts, and creationist/anti-evolutionists have to struggle

That's not a struggle for creationists at all.  It only makes sense that God would construct a model for life and then, with diversity, use it in his creations.  It's the evolutionists who've got the short end of the argument you propose...in the last 6 million years, why haven't chimps evolved into some version of proto-man?